Episode 88

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Andrew Pace [00:00:16]:

Are you able to sort of just diagnose it or at least partially diagnose it, sort of live and in the moment?

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:00:21]:

I'd say, you've been about 80 to 85% accuracy. Wow.

Andrew Pace [00:00:27]:

Shane, that's almost as close as my accuracy. Yeah.

Shane Mercer [00:00:44]:

Alright. Welcome in. It's behind the lines powered by Pinnacle. I'm your host, Shane Mercer, as always joined by Andrew Pace, founder and CEO of Impre Live, a community of like minded sports bettors dedicated to long term success. On today's show, we'll hit the grid iron grind a little later in the show. But first, the doctor's in house. He's a board certified family and sports medicine physician, but he's best known as the fantasy doc, and he's the owner of the injury experts.com. We've got deck doctor Jesse Morse here with us.

Shane Mercer [00:01:15]:

Doctor Jesse, thanks for coming on the show.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:01:18]:

My pleasure. Thank you for having me.

Shane Mercer [00:01:20]:

Hey. It's great to great to have you here, especially too because, Pace, you already had your chance to talk to the doctor about your knee right before we started recording. Doctor, I gotta ask you about my shoulder. Alright? I got the strain in the back here. I was doing, you know, these these shoulder exercises the other day, and I got this major strain over here in my shoulder. What do I have to do? How do I get rid

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:01:39]:

of this? So, the first thing you should just probably don't wing like a duck. But, but, realistically, if it's mild, it will probably go away on its own. Okay. Heat heat is better than ice. If it's problematic and and driving you crazy, then then I would personally stop a good physical therapist. That would be where I would go, or physio as you guys would say. And then and then if if it's not making progress, then you should get evaluated by by someone like me or or an orthopedic surgeon.

Shane Mercer [00:02:15]:

Well, that's why we brought you here on the show.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:02:17]:

Haha

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:02:20]:

In general, you know, in general, most of the minor stuff, you know, we compensate. We we heal pretty well. I have a tendency to specialize in injured tissues that don't heal well or haven't healed well or or or whatnot or people who are trying to avoid surgery. So your your PRPs, your stem cells, and and your peptides and that type of stuff. But, you know, unfortunately, the body only heals about 85% on average. So, we don't have that last 15%. Our body tries to try to fill in with scar tissue, which is weaker and and less flexible. So it has tended to be the weakest link, and and it often re injures.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:02:54]:

That's why we roll our ankle over and over and over again or why we tweak our hammy over again and again. Or, you know, it never feels like it used to unless you do something about it. So that's kind of a goal. I try to get to the root cause of the injury as opposed to your Ibuprofen, your leaves, your your, you know, oral cortisone, that type of stuff, that that that usually don't move the needle a whole lot, make make you feel better a little bit. But now in the long run, the the the issue is still

Shane Mercer [00:03:22]:

there. Yeah. Well, this one's taken a while to to go away. But but, you know, all all joking aside, thanks for giving me the the the tips and suggestions there. We didn't bring you out the show, of course, for for that, but, I figured since you're here, hey. Why not ask? And and Pace already hit you up for for the knee injury. How often do you get average guys like us, you know, wannabe athletes, I'll call us, or or guys who maybe were felt like they were athletes at one point in their career hitting you up for injury related, diagnoses on Twitter.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:03:49]:

It happens pretty regularly, and I and I try to help as much as I can. Certain things are a little bit more complicated, and then it gets challenging. But in general, you know, I try to do as much as I can. A lot of the stuff I do, I need a needle in my hand to really make move to really make progress. But I try diagnosis is important, and and history, which is your information telling me, is very important.

Shane Mercer [00:04:13]:

Yeah. Well, speaking of of history, I want to, get into sort of how you kind of merged your your it sounds like your, you know, your your medical background and your your profession with, you know, your passion for sports and specifically the NFL. But, you know, do you bet on sports? Because, you know, that's what we're here to talk about. We talk about betting on sports, specifically live betting. Do you bet on sports on a regular basis?

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:04:37]:

I do. NFL was kind of my niche. Yeah. I, I follow it more. I I have a couple lines in tonight's game. I usually do I live in Florida, so it gets a little bit challenging. There's only one sport book that's traditional sport book that's hard rock. And then, and then you have your, you know, your your price picks and all these other ones that so it's it's harder to do those because you can't do straight bets.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:05:00]:

You know, you have to do parlays, and you can't really move the lines, and it gets a little bit more challenging, because it's a lot more rigid. You could have 3 great plays, but a 4th one to complete, the bet could lose, and there goes your your your. Or or and, you know, even if you had one one that you were certain about, it's very it's it's a lot harder to to just bet on that one because of the structure of how it is. But, yeah, it it keeps me honest. It it keeps me in the know. You know, I average you know, I do pretty good, with with betting, but I don't I just play money. I don't actually bet for, you know, a lot of money at $20 here, $100 here, something like that. But but, you know, I I have a sheet and I and I and I keep track of my bets and stuff like that.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:05:45]:

And and on my side, I I some people that want my suggestions will I have a a service for that. But in general, I've been doing it for a couple of years now. Last year was was kind of my first year. I really was paying attention to it. It's a full time job as you guys, probably know, especially if you're keeping a track of weather and and, you know, changes in referees and and different injuries and and and, you know, just different formats and coach speak and all the other stuff, it it becomes a lot. And then there's different trends and and and, oh, this guy is doing better this week. You know, the past couple weeks, this guy was doing better. You know, all they're they're starting to change to this type of formation, at least for NFL.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:06:24]:

So it becomes you know, it's not just, oh, pick this and and be done with it. It ends up being kind of much more comprehensive, and and that's where some of my injury stuff comes in.

Shane Mercer [00:06:34]:

Wow. Just the fact that you're actually tracking your wagers, I I think, is a good indication that you're already well ahead of the average recreational sports bettor out there.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:06:43]:

Yeah. Yeah. It's, I I I usually do it kinda later in in Sundays, and then I'll kinda play catch up. Hopefully, catch up on Mondays.

Shane Mercer [00:06:55]:

Well we will dive into more of sort of what your betting schedule looks like. Yeah. But but first, do give us your background. So, did you always wanna be a doctor, and then how did you become the fantasy doc?

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:07:07]:

It's a good question. So I did, I did initially, family medicine. I knew I wanted to do sports. That was the path I chose. I didn't wanna be a surgeon, so I chose a family and then to give me more well rounded approach, and then I did a specialist, fellowship. So I did a sports medicine fellowship at US, upper Tampa, and then went straight into ortho, kinda your nonsurgical ortho, which is for most people, knee, shoulder, hip fractures, concussions, sprains, that type of stuff. And then, some some guys will do, you know, preop, postop clearance, or that type of stuff, urgent care that that are, like, ortho related urgent care. I wanted to do more, nontraditional, so I ended up going into more your regenerative medicines, your PRP, your stem cell lines.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:07:58]:

And then the other half of the clinic is is interesting. It's more health optimization. And, so we're doing a lot of, Lyme disease and heavy metal poisoning and mold poisoning and, ozone and peptides and stem cells and, you know, NAD and and all these kinda cool crazy things that that you can do to optimize your health and and antiaging and and that type of stuff. So, we have our fair share of regular people, and then we have our fair share of of of sick patients that are trying to get better where they have cancer or whatever it is. And then and then I have our patients that just have money and wanna live forever, and they just are willing to kinda spend whatever they wanna spend. You know? So it just depends on the approach. I think this is becoming much more, appreciated, and it's not you know, here in America, it's not traditional because none of this is covered by insurance. So, unfortunately, not everybody has access to it.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:08:54]:

But just because you haven't heard about it doesn't mean it doesn't work. It just means that the media doesn't want you to know it exists, which is okay. But I you know, in general, I I I evolved in in 2016, 2017. I started real life. You know what? These reporters don't know anything about medicine, which is okay. Like, they're not trained to be in medicine. Right? But it's like, oh, he has a grade one strain. He's gonna miss a month.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:09:19]:

And I'm like, no. He's not. Like, you know? But it's okay. But so I started commenting on that, and there had been a couple people before me and it still exists. But I felt like I could do it better. And I felt like like I played fantasy for 20 years or whatever it's been now. I did baseball for a while, and it was just too time consuming. So now I pretty much do only do a football, but, I realized, like, there's a huge correlation and connection between injuries and and and and and playing and and betting for that matter too.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:09:49]:

So I realized, like, you know what? I can give people a significant competitive advantage just basically what I call reading between the lines. So they say week to week, and I know it's a shoulder injury. I'll use Josh down, for example, which I haven't announced yet, but, suffered a right AC sprain yesterday and landed really hard on his shoulder, and they're giving him a week to week diagnosis. What does that mean? So that's the most common likely injury for that body part with that diagnosis in that video, is an AC sprain. There's 6 types, but realistically, there's 3 types. He's likely has a type 1, probably closer to a type 2. So that correlates to basically him either playing next week, probably not. And if he does, he has a high risk of reinjury, to to playing in the 2nd or 3rd week.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:10:38]:

This is if this was in a quarterback, we'll say Anthony Richardson, he'd be done for the year. Or, you know, this is if this was in his left shoulder like like, Trevor Lawrence is dealing with right now, he's probably gonna play after missing, what, 2 or 3 weeks, whatever it's been. So so understanding the risk, understanding the the role of that injury to that player. And then there's a significant impact of of aggressiveness, of the team docs, of of the other options available. So I'm an independent physician for many pros that they they don't want the team involved or the team doesn't have the resources, surprisingly, that they want, or they're being cheap and they don't wanna pay for it. Or they just say, hey. I I I need to be playing Sunday, and it's Tuesday, and I need the best stuff money can buy. Can you do it? You know? So that's kinda where they go.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:11:35]:

And then there's several of us, so to speak. But, you know, these games, these guys are making 1,000,000 and 1,000,000 of dollars, to play a game. But at the end of the day, their performance is impacted by injuries. Take the NFL for instance. I mean, it's week 12, almost week 13. Everybody is injured. Every body part is injured. Like, by week 4, everyone is injured.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:11:57]:

You know, they get they get 1 week off a year, basically, or a season. They, get 1 to 2 days off a week, and they have to travel all over the place. Germany, you know, Brazil, like, the the travel schedule is insane. So there's a lot of moving parts. These guys are literally running into each other for 2:2 hours straight. Like, it's it's it's crazy. So, of course, they're gonna be injured. Right? And then you're like, oh, hey.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:12:21]:

You gotta do it again in 6 days. This is like you know, like, yesterday. You have all the games yesterday. 6 teams are playing in 3 days. Like, that's a crazy turnaround. So you have to rehab from those wounds and then prep for the next people and then actually play in 3 days. Right? So then you gotta realize, hey. Is there a reason why they held Isaiah Pacheco out in week 12 coming back from his fibula fracture because they want him to play in week 13, which is on Black Friday? Yes.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:12:51]:

That's likely why they did that. They also probably wanted to run cream hunt a little hard so that they had the luxury of Pacheco when he's available. So there's kind of a method to the madness for that. They can't do some crazy stuff during the season because it's too inflammatory. They need to wait until the off season if they can. So that's your March, you know, February, March, sometimes April. When they come in, do whatever they're gonna do, and then they have 5, 6 months to kinda rehab and and train, before they before they start suiting it up again because the season is a grind, both mentally and fiscally.

Shane Mercer [00:13:27]:

Wow. So so much there to to dive into, and and kind of pick a part because, you know, I I you really sort of have described, like, this game within the game that, that, you know, coaches and and training staff are all sort of playing. And, you know, Pace and I might be sitting there on a Sunday going, you know, why the hell isn't that running back in there? Put that other running back back in there. But meanwhile, these guys are having these conversations. Right? Where it's like, no. You know, we need to give them this bit of rest, or we can't use them on on this many snaps. You know, he's gotta have a lower snap percentage because we need them in that following week. Do you do you think the average public out there thinks about these things at all or or can kind of understand what how how that team is being played?

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:14:12]:

Yeah. I think it's much more common in the NBA.

Shane Mercer [00:14:15]:

Okay. Yeah.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:14:16]:

These these rest days,

Shane Mercer [00:14:17]:

Yeah. Load management. Of course. Load management.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:14:20]:

Yes. Yes. Which is good and bad. You know?

Shane Mercer [00:14:22]:

Hey. Kawhi Kawhi Leonard brought my guys a championship. I'm all for load management.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:14:27]:

You know? I mean, I get it. And, you know, Embiid has peaked, and he's on his decline now, unfortunately. But we've seen that with him now. Yep. And and and I get it. But realistically, you don't usually see that in the NFL. Their load management is is not prefacing on Wednesdays. You know, that's literally what what they can one day off, one more day off.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:14:47]:

But in general, they can't there's there each game is too important to to say, oh, hey. I'm not gonna play this game because I don't, you know, I don't feel like it, or we're gonna save up for the next game. If if that is an impact player and they don't have someone that's equally as impactful, they have to play them. You know? They just you know? And and these guys are so important that 1 or 2 plays may change the course of that game. So it's like, I I need you out there. And and and that's 20, 30 years ago. That's when the narcotics and and the tortoise and all that stuff kinda came into play because they're like, hey. Let's numb the pain.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:15:25]:

Let's numb the pain. But I have players that are in their thirties that need knee replacements from NFL, that are thin guys that just had really bad knee injuries. They played through them because that's what they were taught to do. And nowadays, they probably wouldn't have. They would have taken time off. They would have allotted to properly heal, and and and now their knee would be in better shape. So these guys are much more advocates of their body than they previously were. And and then that's what what I see is changing over the past probably 5 years or so, is that less guys are doing new narcotics and your and that type of stuff, and they're doing cryo chambers and hot saunas and and, you know, cold plunges and, hyperbaric chambers and and and all the crazy stuff that we have available to us to optimize the healing, and allow for these guys to be able to play at a high level week in week out even at 2025 or whatever their ages.

Shane Mercer [00:16:27]:

Can you you know, you brought up, downs and and his injury. You know, when you're sitting and watching a game on a Sunday, can you see someone go down like that and instantly know, yeah. This is it. You know? I I this is what's happened before, you know, the the training staff comes out with anything. Like, are you able to sort of just diagnose it or at least partially diagnose it sort of live and in the moment?

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:16:53]:

I'd say, you've been about 80 to 85% accuracy.

Andrew Pace [00:16:58]:

Wow. Shane, that's almost as close as my accuracy.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:17:03]:

Yeah. You know, I mean, that's taken years of traditional training of of advance training and then of just learning correlations. It's not perfect. Right? Like like, I'll give you an example. The Rashid Rice injury. That was as complicated as you're gonna have. Why? Because that's a super rare injury. 0.05% of knee injuries happen, what he had, and the type of injury he had.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:17:31]:

It's just super rare. Like, there's no way you'd guess, oh, he did an isolated LCL, you know, with no other injury to his knee. Like, that's unbelievably rare. And if he did, you'd be, like, just picking things out. Be but when you look at so so in medicine, we have a a common phrase. When you look at a field full of horses, don't look for the zebra. Like, the zebras exist, but just common things are common. Rishi Rice's was a zebra.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:17:56]:

Like, it was super rare. And that's why they're like, I don't know what to do with the MRIs and cruises. I'm like, something has to be way off. Like, these guys look at MRIs every day. It should have been freaking obvious. But you have those. So you're gonna get these random things, but, without evaluating the patient, without seeing the imaging, without getting every view because we're usually, they get one and it's probably not the best view. It'd be nice if you could look 360 around it, play it back, you know, play I don't have those resources.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:18:24]:

Maybe someone at the NFL network does, but I don't. So realistically, without all of those other things, we have a pretty good and then it's like, hey. If I hit your knee with this angle and I hit your knee with this angle, one may react one way and one may react a different way. Even though the hit was the same, your preexisting condition could lead to issues, whereas this one, maybe not. Or maybe your foot was your cleat was in the turf, whereas yours wasn't. And that, energy difference will make the difference between your tearing your meniscus and you tearing your ACL. You know? So there's small little intricacies that you could that's why I say it can be this, this, or this. You know? They're like, well, narrow it down.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:19:02]:

Like, that is narrowed down. I could have given you 50 options. That's literally the most narrowed down that I can give you. And then there's a couple like that's an AC spring. We see that every day. Could it be a clavicle fracture like GargiMentri? Yes. But that's not common. That doesn't happen all the time.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:19:17]:

But you saw him kinda doing this, and you're like, okay. That looks a little bit crazier than normal. And that's part of the reason why because it it wasn't a common injury. But in general, there's definitely associations, high ankle sprints, medial ankle sprints. More common than we think, not common in everyday life, pretty common in the NFL. And part of that is due to tackling. Part of that is due to the turf. Part of that is due to just the nature of volume that these guys get and how they get tackled.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:19:44]:

The tip drop tackle is freaking awful. And then there's how these guys are training. You know, why do they keep getting recurrent groin strains, calf strains, hamstring strains, these soft tissue injuries? And then why would thankfully, Achilles has been down this year, but why was last year so crazy for Achilles? You know, there's certain things that we really can't explain. Like, you know, there's a preexisting condition. And and part of my reason for for starting initially the Fantasy Doctors, I I joined, but I kinda basically developed it. And then eventually closing that and opening up the injury experts was because I wanted to know the injury histories of the players because the greatest risk, of a new injury is a past injury. So it's like sense. You know, like like, why did Julio Jones have recurrent, hamstring strains over the end of his career? Because he continued to have hamstring strains before the end of his career, and he just continued to reactivate the same issue.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:20:45]:

Why did Tua have a higher risk for suffering concussion? Because he's already lowered his seizure or his concussion threshold because he's had concussions before, and he probably has some genetic variant that allows him to be easier concussed. So there's different things.

Andrew Pace [00:21:04]:

Stays inbounds instead of it doesn't, you know, dives headfirst and all that stuff. Like, he doesn't he doesn't learn separately of the injury. He doesn't learn from his injuries. Right?

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:21:12]:

That and that's just who he is. Right? With his last concussion, you're like, the dude just ran into someone, like, mildly. It wasn't even a crazy hit.

Andrew Pace [00:21:19]:

Yeah.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:21:20]:

And and it just, like, each had just collapsed per se. And then he tries to tackle someone a couple weeks ago, and he's like, I'd do it again. I'm like, okay. I get it. But, you know, you just missed a month this year and but 6, 8 weeks, 3 years ago with a concussion and, you know, maybe a little bit smarter here. And you saw how he plays when he's playing well. But so long story short, I'd said, you know what? I'm gonna document every quarterback, running back, wide receiver, and tight end, their injury histories. Everything.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:21:47]:

Their own injury report, there is an injury. I read between the lines. I say, you know what? This is probably an AC sprain. This is probably a high ankle sprain. Probably a grade 2 because they missed a month. You know? And I try to update it. It's super time consuming, and I and I have a practice, so I can't exactly do it every day. But I have a flow sheet, and and in the off season, I'll probably play catch up and and update it as much as I can.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:22:07]:

But that allows you to say, hey. How how significant is this guy's injury history? You know? Cedi Lamb will play through pretty much any injury. The the kid just he doesn't he he gets injured, but he doesn't miss games. And that's kinda how Mike Evans was and then DeAndre Hopkins when they were in their prime. Now it's a lot harder. You know? He'll at 32 like you did at 22. You'd like to, but you just don't. It just doesn't happen that way.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:22:30]:

And Mike Evans, you know, tried to push it through, the hamstring strain earlier last month and and we saw what happened. He he he he went from a grade 1 mild to a pretty decent grade 2 and he missed the month. And if, if he could have played through it, he would have, but he would have been, you know, in a wheelchair. He would he would have been able to do anything. He just he had a broken leg per se. So that was part of it. So a lot of these guys, you have to be smart. You know? There's a fine line between, hey.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:22:59]:

Should we allow them to play or no. We need to pull them back and protect them from themselves. Right? You know, that's kind of the Christian McCaffrey thing from here. It's like it's like, if we let him play, he's gonna re injure this, and he's gonna miss a month. Let's just properly address it, miss whatever time he needs to miss. And then and then when he's good, he's good.

Shane Mercer [00:23:21]:

I'm glad you brought McCaffrey up because I I was thinking about McCaffrey too, and it probably has to be one of the sort of, you know, big story lines of of fantasy football this season, especially the fact that he was going number 1 overall in fantasy drafts. And then it's like everybody's expecting him to play week 1. You know, they're playing on a Monday night. We go through Sunday. People have got them locked in their lineups for Monday night, and then they get this late news that that not only is he out. Okay. He's not playing tonight. Fine.

Shane Mercer [00:23:53]:

Whatever. That sucks, you know, if you've got him. I didn't draft him, so I'm I'm I was cool with it, but, you know, a lot of people out there are pretty upset about it. Then you find out a few weeks late or you find out a few days later, oh, he's he's probably not playing this week or the next week. And then you find out a few days later, oh, he's off to Germany to go get checked out, and we're not gonna see him till week 10. You know? Meanwhile, people drafted him 1st overall. What is happening behind the scenes? Can you give us any kind of insight into into how something like that plays out and how so many people, fantasy players, are kind of sort of left holding this empty bag for so long.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:24:27]:

So I think part of it is, everybody just assumes everyone's healthy immediately. But there is a a a a grind. If you look at McCaffrey's volume since high school, he's been a monster. I mean, he'd been ridiculous. His days at Stanford, he was ridiculous. He did crazy volumes at Carolina, and he's basically continued those crazy volumes at San Fran. Unfortunately, his soft tissues can't handle that. I like to liken him to a 20, 2,022, Lamborghini that has 300,000 miles on him.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:25:04]:

He's got a lot of volume for a very short period of time. He's not built like Derrick Henry. Right? They're 2 completely different players. Henry is a physical specimen, whereas, you know, McCaffrey is is a beast, but, you know, he's got a lot of volume on them. So that's part of the problem is, you know, he had a a calf strain 2 years ago. He had probably a reinjury to that last year and missed the game, and then he reinjured it in preseason. And then, unfortunately, they either discovered or finally realized that that that that Achilles tendon is not in a good spot. And then eventually, we find out that both of them are actually not in a good spot.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:25:43]:

And he's and if I were to guess, I never met him. I would probably say he has a partial tear of his Achilles tendon. That's probably what he was doing. And, unfortunately, that doesn't heal in a week or 2. And then if you push through it, you will full thickness tear, and that's it. That's all she wrote. That's what happened to Dobbins. That's what happened to James Robinson and and a bunch of other running back.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:26:03]:

And that's for the most part of depth, you know, a depth below. We've seen Dobbins kind of surprisingly come back. But, but in general, that's not a good injury for for a running back. So they had to be smart and say, hey. This isn't something that we can do in a week or 2. I I I would say I was surprised he went to Germany. I know why he went to Germany. I just I personally probably could have fixed them better and faster, but that's separate discussion.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:26:29]:

But, you know, none nonetheless, the the the nature of it is he got better and he's on the field. Right? I mean, he didn't do the best yesterday, but, but, unfortunately, if you got kinda caught holding the bag in, you know, in week 1, you're like and then then you had the question, well, is he gonna play week 2? Like, do I trade him? Do I trade for him? It's like I mean, in the UCP, you tell people, like, they they think I have this crystal ball and I'm like, you realize you and I have access to the same information? Right. I just use a different lens.

Shane Mercer [00:27:02]:

Yeah.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:27:02]:

That's that's the only difference. I just have experience, and I have knowledge of certain things, but rarely do I have insider info to say, oh, yeah. This guy's definitely injured or whatever. Like, that doesn't happen that much. So I try to kinda read between the lines. I'm never gonna be perfect. That's not possible. I mean, even if someone treating him couldn't predict some of this stuff just because things are flicking and and and there's no way nothing's perfect in many or these random things that happen all the time.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:27:29]:

You know, he could slip in a shower and do something. Like, we we don't know. So that's the tricky part. And and I think they did a good job at managing it, you know, in hindsight. You know, he's from what I understand, he's a big proponent of stem cells, and he's been does it, you know, pretty regularly, not by me, but by some by young people. And, you know, unfortunately, they didn't he didn't get to this preventatively enough. If if if you ask him, he probably would have did this in in February or March, and he would have been fine and he would have played the whole season, but he didn't.

Andrew Pace [00:28:00]:

Right. We should, switch the the topic here over to betting. So from a betting standpoint, injury news is probably one of the single biggest pieces of information that pregame sharps use. And it's it's a race. Right? You know, you're you're trying to get access to injury news in any way, shape, or form. You know, a lot of a lot of people in the the stock market would would be behind bars if you were to go one for 1 with insider trading from from the stock market to the sports betting landscape. But that access to information is is everything. And then, obviously, before the injury news comes out, there's a whole sort of world of people that are looking at the lines and trying to determine whether that player is in or out, what the movement will be after that, situation.

Andrew Pace [00:28:50]:

Obviously, like, the most notable and recent one was the 40 niners, Brock Purdy, plus 3 at, plus plus 2a half, I think, at at, Green Bay. Yeah. And then I think the line closed around 6. And I I don't think there was a line in the world that would have represented how how big of a a bloodbath that game turned out to be. But whether or not the result was what you had hoped for, you know, as a pregame sharp, you are trying to get that information, as quickly as as you possibly can. Do you have any experience with that side of things? Not necessarily from the betting standpoint, but more so from, you know, I know this injury. I know what it now is. I know that they're discussing whether or not this player is going to play, and you basically going, my diagnosis of this is that he will or will not play before that information is released.

Andrew Pace [00:29:46]:

And and and if so, could you kinda put some sort of accuracy metric on on that? Like, yeah, I'm right about 70, 75 percent of the time kinda thing.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:29:55]:

Sunday nights, I did one last night about midnight. I'm I'm a I'm a Nighthawk. 12, 12:30 AM here in Miami. I'm recording I I record my Sunday night wrap up for you guys. It's 9 PM or whatever it is. And then that goes live, somewhere around there. And that's my initial thoughts on the injuries. Any video I've seen, any initial comments, knowing player histories, seeing what I saw.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:30:24]:

You and I end up getting the same information if you're paying attention. Usually, either Monday, or sometimes it's not until Wednesday. It just depends on on on a couple things. But, Wednesday is a pretty big indicator for me for for practice schedules, but then you have the the veteran practice schedule. So then that kind of throws you off, and you really can't depend on till Thursday, which is a really late week already. But there's certain things that I know on Monday that I can't even access the line because the line doesn't exist yet, because they won't post it yet. You know, I'm like, oh, that guy's not gonna play. Like, I already know he's not gonna play.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:31:03]:

And I can tell you on Monday, you know, 5, 10 guys that aren't gonna play on Sunday. And and and I don't know if the books know. I mean, I know, but because I studied this stuff so much, but and then there's certain things I'm like, this guy may find out 5 minutes before the game starts that he's not gonna play. Like, we we this is literally a game time decision. And and and so and and, you know, I use a combination of a bunch of resources, and I try to filter those and cut out my comments whether it's in text or video or whatever form I can put in. And and, unfortunately, I can't cover every player and every injury. Just just not realistic. It's not possible, time wise.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:31:42]:

I'm just you know, some of them aren't as impactful even though people might be you know, wanna hear about it. So I kinda focus on the the fantasy kind of offensive players because they have the biggest impact. You know, some of the high level defensive guys, yes. But I I just you guys are covering one team. I used to tell you, like, you guys are covering one team. I'm covering all of them.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:32:00]:

There's a lot more players to cover. My injury list is between 70 to 90 players on average. Like, it's a lot of players. So, you know, I'm I'm updating it daily or multiple times a day depending on, the day of the week. And, you know, some days I don't put anything on it because there's no new information that really comes out. But, realistically, I try to, anticipate. I have a private, kind of spreadsheet that that that my premium members can see. I think it's, like, $5 a month or something.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:32:29]:

That I will put all the stuff in a sheet, and then I will put percentages of likelihood to play that week. And and and some guys, it's obvious. And in other guys, it's 5050. And then I get information like, nope. He just dropped to 25. Nope. He's up to 75. And then I see, oh, he just had back to pack full practice.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:32:46]:

He's a go. I don't even think about it. He's fine. Is he truly a 100%? No. Is he a 100% gonna play? Yes. So there's a, you know, the distinction between the 2. So I'll have a couple comments like, yes. He's gonna play, but I have concerns about x y z or re injury rate is 15% or whatever it is.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:33:03]:

Some of the ones that are harder or the more complicated ones, I'll give you an example Brock Purdy. This hasn't come out yet, but it will. He likely has a labral tear in his throat and shoulder. It's probably small, and that's why they kind of are deciding, hey. Can he go or not? If this was an AC sprain, it would have been more clear. If this was a rotator cuff, it would be more clear it's not. So there's only so many things it could really be. With that being said, if it's a mild label tear, he'd probably play this week.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:33:35]:

If it's more of a moderate, he's done for the year. He's not gonna play this year. He won't he won't be able to play the rest of the year. So, you know, it really depends on how how bad it is, how aggressive they wanna be, and how much they're letting on. Some some coaches are really straightforward, and other ones, you can't trust a single word that comes out of their mouth. Right. You know, and and then, like like, give you an example. The the Eagles are notorious for being very aggressive with their medical staffs, very aggressive.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:34:04]:

Whereas the Packers, for instance, are very conservative. They will give a guy an extra week off or they'll wait through the buy just to make sure they're good. Whereas I've seen the Eagles bring Dallas Goddard back after missing 3 or 4 weeks, the week before a buy just so that he could play, and then they had to buy. I'm like but that's what they hit. So it's like every team has their their different levels of aggressiveness. And, obviously, you know, they have a tendency to favor QBs. They wanna get them out there because they're more impactful. But, in general, it's it's tough.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:34:36]:

And then there's, you know, these guys are all freaks. Right? They're all, you know, just absolute monsters, and and some guys are even crazier than others. And they heal really well, and others don't heal as much or they re injure. Like, we got a comment yesterday, I think it was yesterday, from Malik Neighbors. And they said, oh, this is going straight. I've been dealing with that since college.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:34:59]:

Excuse me? No one knew about that. I promise you that was not in any records in the combine. Nope. Wow. So now that tells me and I just actually checked it when these last week. These are awful. These are very frustrating. Adductor strain is probably a doctor of longest.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:35:14]:

He's probably got a chronic, throbbing, aching, scar tissue laden proximal aspect of the adductor, which is basically where it attaches to the groin, almost that bone right there. And this will flare intermittently. It's already been number 2 this year until he gets it addressed. It will not go away at all. It it will calm down, but it'll never truly go away. That's just the nature of groins. It's just like caps. And and for a rider suit that's trying to juke and push him and pull, that's not a good trait.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:35:46]:

And he's been, oh, I'm fine. I'll push through it. But if if you look at the difference, you will see him not be as effective when it's bothering him. He just can't get out of his breaks. He can't, you know, be as aggressive with man coverage, like, especially when it's cold. So these are subtle things that you're like, probably not, you know, probably not going to bet him today rather than taking under. Because it's like like, look, what happened yesterday. You know, we didn't know what cutlets was well, we'll call them cutlets.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:36:17]:

What what Davido was gonna do. Why we we don't know.

Shane Mercer [00:36:20]:

Tommy Cutlets.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:36:21]:

You know? So it's like he didn't even get the ball much in the second half or whatever. Whereas by the time it was a moot point, but but could they have targeted him every other play? Yeah. I mean, they very well could have, but we don't know how they're gonna game plan them. But all we know is last time, neighbors had a a reengineer, so he's going. He didn't do anything. Like, he was awful. You look at just look at the game block. He didn't he he was week 7 or 8, whatever it was.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:36:45]:

He didn't he didn't do well, and that's not surprising. I mean, it's tough. These grind grinds suck. So these are subtle things, but if you aren't completely invested in this, there's no way you can get all this information. You're like it's like drinking water through a fire hose. There's way too much information to try to accumulate and then still have a normal everyday life and still have a job or whatever else you're doing. So I try to as much as I can, but my my wife knows, like, late August, I'm I'm I'm busy 4 days a week until freaking January. And then I spend my you know, I still spend as much time as I can with her in the season, but, thankfully, she's cooperative and understanding, but it's a full time job.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:37:28]:

I probably do 20 to 30 hours a week in injury analysis in some capacity.

Andrew Pace [00:37:33]:

It goes to show you, though, that a lot of people that do invest their their life into being successful with pregame betting. This is just one angle of dozens that you can employ your time to ultimately grow your bankroll with, grow your net worth with in this realm of of sports betting. And, you just heard it there first. Like, just that one realm being an expert at. Obviously, not not all of us are gonna have, you know, the medical background that you have. But you still can get a general understanding of some of this stuff, and and the time that it takes obviously to succeed is is remarkable. So I'm gonna shift gears here because we actually have a really relevant, example from last, Monday, Monday night football, cowboys against the Texans. And this is maybe gonna get away from the medical stuff a little bit, but can also, you know, sort of segue into some stuff that broadcast really could be doing with, you know, the whole live betting and live broadcast landscape that we're now seeing in the regulated world.

Andrew Pace [00:38:32]:

Like you said, you you know, you're in Florida. You only have hard rock, to wager with. But, we're still seeing all the ads. Right? DraftKings, FanDuel, etcetera, you know, sponsoring the the feeds and everything. So, Jake Ferguson took a concussion. I think he got an 11 yard pass and and went down with a concussion. Now I was poking fun at myself earlier because I like I'll someone will go down. I'll be like, oh, he's out of the game.

Andrew Pace [00:38:58]:

He's done for the season. Or, like, Mahomes is being carried off from his ankle. I'm like, guys, Mahomes is done. He's not coming back in the game. Right? Like, Right? We're live streaming while we're betting. Of course, you know, he just comes running back onto the field. You know? I don't know if it was a drama thing or he's just trying to throw us a curve ball there. But, when injuries occur from a betting standpoint, we touched on the pregame stuff.

Andrew Pace [00:39:20]:

From a live standpoint, it can be remarkable. So you you don't wanna be like, oh, we're profiting off of someone else's pain. But when when Ferguson went down, we we were presented with some remarkable live opportunities with, his replacement Shoemaker or Shoemaker, who actually scored Yeah. He did. He had a great cast. Yeah. This this past week. But, you know, books won't have that handicapped properly.

Andrew Pace [00:39:45]:

And and if if anyone is interested, you know, in the pregame stuff, we're probably not the best resources. But from a live standpoint, you know, there really are great opportunities that we are looking at live in real time from an injury standpoint. And this kinda brings us to what I was getting at. From a broadcast standpoint. We, you know, we have Dean Staritor or, e who I can't remember the other guy. They come in and they analyze a penalty, and they'll break down a penalty score. Where do you see yourself? I know you've you've you've shown some excitement here. Where where do you think that could go from Yeah.

Andrew Pace [00:40:17]:

Your side of it?

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:40:18]:

In my opinion, this is kind of my long term goal. I guess it's kind of a weird way to put it, but I guess it's probably what I would say. That would be one of my aspirations to say, hey. What the the the the penalty stuff that they do, wait 2 minutes, and they're gonna tell you what the penalty is. And whatever you said is pretty much irrelevant. You know? Think if you think about it, like like like but but Really good point. Yeah. But you won't get that same analysis about the injury.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:40:47]:

Right. Unless you get a little bit of insight from one of the reports. And and they don't do that a whole lot. Maybe, you know, 20% of the time or something. And if you do, it's, like, half hour later or it's it's a similar amount of time.

Andrew Pace [00:40:58]:

Can I interrupt you here? Not only that,

Andrew Pace [00:41:01]:

They're like, oh, they went into the blue tent or you see them running to the sideline, and you find out the guy went to take a dump. And meanwhile, you were afraid about an injury. You know what I mean? So Yeah. The create a little bit of fear, and it's like, oh, this elusive blue tent. And you can't sometimes you can't even find anything, and it wasn't even an injury in the first place. So a guy like you would potentially be able to provide a bit insight there.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:41:24]:

Yeah. And and and so and I think that, like like, yesterday, we saw, if you watched last night's game, you saw Slay go down. I'm like, he's done. That's it. He's done. I can tell you for a fact he's done. So now you target his backup who just got 8 alive. Right? You saw that, and we saw Ekeler if you watched that hit.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:41:43]:

Like, he was done. There was no question. Like, and and and then we had, like, that Josh Allen situation, whatever it was, a month or 6 months old

Andrew Pace [00:41:50]:

I was just gonna bring that up, and then you said it.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:41:53]:

And I was like, okay. That's, you know, a separate discussion, but I'm still pissed off about that one. Okay. But but, you know, like but but and long story short, I know he saw the the photo where he was getting the smelling salt. Yeah. The that's ammonia. I have some over there. It's not what you should be doing on a sideline if you're trying to come back from a hard hit, which usually means you probably had a concussion.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:42:17]:

But but nonetheless and then you have stuff like Brian Robinson junior from yesterday, supples a right ankle sprain on the first play of the game. Right? Literally, the first play. Comes back a couple couple plays later. Only makes it, like, 4 plays. If you know what happened to him or have a decent idea, you know he's not coming back. That's it. It's done.

Shane Mercer [00:42:44]:

I I was surprised to see him come back in the game.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:42:46]:

Yeah. So when he come back in the game, that told me it wasn't in ACL. I knew it wasn't in ACL, but that kinda confirmed it. Because because because the way he the way his knee was twisted, it's either right knee, right ankle, or both. It just depends on where the in where the the where the pressure, where the, you know, where the where where the injury went. Was it the ankle? Was his foot planted? Was it not planted? Like, you know, did he get lucky? So and that's when I say, like, it could be knee or hip or ankle. Like, it depends on where they happen to have it. Sometimes it's straightforward and obvious.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:43:21]:

But when I saw that he didn't he he came back and left, I said, nope. He's done for the game. And I had 2 bets on him. I had any time bet, and then I had an over 60 or whatever the Russian total was for him. And he lost both. And that was it. I mean but, unfortunately, when you know, in Florida, if you're playing parlays or anything like that, you can't. That's not what you can do.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:43:39]:

You know? The other 3 can win. But if you're playing a 4 a 4 pick, that's it. You lost it. But how good the other ones do. And that and and and it yeah. I had 5 or 6 best die yesterday because of injury. Josh Downs, Brian Robinson, a couple of guys that had good that had were had great matchups. You know? But, yes, you can see things in real time.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:43:59]:

It's not perfect. You'll never know exactly. But you have a good idea. And I would love to do that in real time because I can provide, analysis even on a superficial level compared to the, you know, the the guys who are who are making millions, actually, that are like, I I think that was it might be a concussion. And I'm like, ugh. You know? And most of the time, they just don't say anything anymore because they just sound so bad that they they they just kinda much pretty much avoid it, which is probably not the worst thing. But you can provide good insight in there and just say, oh, yeah. That tells me x y z.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:44:37]:

And it's not perfect because because, you know, nothing is. But it would give you a a significant competitive advantage. And now there's so much pushing on betting. Like, you know, ESPN, like, everywhere you go, it's it's crazy. Like, every other third commercial is a betting thing at this point, I feel. So it's like it just makes sense to be the natural progression to say, hey. Do this in real time, see how it does, and see if people like it. Once they hear it, they're gonna be like, why haven't we done this for 10 years? You know? When they did the the ref stuff, everybody did rest up within a year.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:45:09]:

Like, that was just like, oh, okay. Like but the problem so the let's say the problem, but similar to reps, I guess, there's only so many as that that can do that. You know? You think, oh, let's just hire random orthopedic surgeon. He should know. She should know. It's a lot more complicated than that.

Shane Mercer [00:45:28]:

Right. Because they're not they're not tracking it the way you're tracking it.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:45:31]:

And not only that, they don't understand the resources available to the players. They don't understand the protocols. They don't know the player histories. They don't under they probably don't play fantasy, so they don't know the implications.

Andrew Pace [00:45:46]:

Right. Yeah.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:45:47]:

You know, there's a lot of moving parts. How good is their backup? How important are they to the game plan? Is this guy permanently a slot guy? His backup's not a good slot guy. So now you just change the entire game plan. What if that their DB doesn't run into the slot that's certain? You know? There's levels to this, and and and and a lot of them don't you've it's hard to get to that top level because you really have to be on it. You have to understand. You have to look at all the data. You have to look at all the crazy advanced data. And and you have to understand, like, hey.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:46:18]:

With this injury, he's not gonna be able to make this cut like he can. Like Puka, he wasn't able to to stop and go quite as good as he should have been able to initially. And you saw a modified version of of Nico Collins last week, and and Mike Evans yesterday. That was planned. That wasn't random. There's nothing random about that. They knew. They that was in the cards.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:46:40]:

They aren't gonna tell you, but I commented on it, because it makes sense. Other injuries, that's fine. You can go 0 to 60, and you're fine. But soft tissue injuries, you're playing with fire. You're playing with fire. You wanna go 0 to a 100 real quick. You're gonna re injure that, and you're gonna be out. You know? You're gonna miss a month like Evans did, like Amico Collins did.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:47:00]:

So, you know, there's certain things that we have to be careful with. And and and it's it's cool. It's very fluid. You know? One one thing you could be like, oh, we're good here, and then 2 minutes later, everything changes. And you're like you know, unfortunately, that's just the nature of of of injuries of of the game, you know, even of of betting. You're always trying to beat the shark. Right? You're always trying to beat the house, but they're good at what they do. There's a reason why they always win.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:47:30]:

You know? So you're trying to and the the question is, what do they know? You know, that's always my question for myself is, like, what does Vegas know about this game, about this injury? You know?

Andrew Pace [00:47:44]:

That that that the public doesn't have access to. Right? And the other the other thing too is separately of what they don't they do or don't know, what you've noticed is the example that I just brought up about, Jake Ferguson there. Yeah. We see that all the time. Well, there used to be an opportunity where you could just bet on Jake Ferguson's under in that game and make a diagnosis yourself and go, okay. He's probably not coming back. Now regardless of whether you make that diagnosis is irrelevant, the lines are gone. Yeah.

Andrew Pace [00:48:10]:

They see the injury. The lines are gone. And whether he comes back or not, they'll remain gone. So the Brian Robinson example that you just gave up or or just gave us there, he did come back. Well, maybe the books go, oh, he's back, and they open his lines back up. That's actually really uncommon. So it would be great if you were to be like, okay. Well, Brian Robinson's back, and now his lines are back open.

Andrew Pace [00:48:32]:

But I know this really isn't gonna be able to last or at least it shouldn't last, and then we get that opportunity to be able to, you know, potentially wager against him. Those those are largely gone. The opportunities that now exist are the one you alluded to with sleigh going down. Who is who is guarding, you know, AJ oh, sorry. AJ Brown's the wrong example. Who did the Eagles play? Can't even remember now.

Shane Mercer [00:48:56]:

They played the Rams..

Andrew Pace [00:48:57]:

Okay. So who is guarding Puka now, or who is guarding Cooper Kupp now? Right? And and is that an opportunity to to wager on that on that particular player now that, you know, the best quarterbacks, injured for the rest of the

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:49:08]:

And you saw that it actually ended up being relevant. I mean, Puka was everywhere after that. And and and and maybe it was all malicious of a hit, by, Parkin, and I think his name is. Maybe not. Maybe it's just an entry where he plays the game, but I was like, oh, that he came in way harder, and he wasn't going anywhere. Like, it just run out of bounds. But he Right. And, unfortunately, he changed the game.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:49:30]:

Obviously, it wasn't enough to impact the game completely, but he definitely impacted the game with that hit, unfortunately. But, yes, you you now can look at and say, okay. Slay is their top corner one of their top corners depending on how you feel. Who are they likely to put in and and how is that gonna impact where Stafford, who's very smart, gonna put the ball. Right? That's an a live game thing that you cannot anticipate before the game. It just it it's not possible. You know? There's no way to know that. So you can get an edge, but you have, what, 2 minutes, 3 minutes? I mean, you're you really have to be on it.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:50:05]:

And and and for me, that's what makes it so tough is it's like I I can't watch every game. I can't, like, it's already takes up what it feels like half of my life as it is. Like, I can't watch every game, and I can't see everything every time. Like, I try to watch as much as I can because it's it's really hard to to to to do this stuff if you're watching from a far. It's just it's a it's a lot.

Andrew Pace [00:50:27]:

Now you're describing me. Yeah. Now you're describing me, doc.

Shane Mercer [00:50:31]:

Pace does watch every game.

Shane Mercer [00:50:33]:

And a lot of our memebrs. We do have every game on. And when you say 2 to 3 minutes, to us, that sounds like an eternity. Like, 2 to 3 minutes, I could get I could spin that at least 2 or 3 times in that amount of time.

Andrew Pace [00:50:44]:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. I well, I I feel like we could we could talk about injuries forever, but I actually have an example from college football this past weekend. Ashton Jeanty, who's the the Heisman favorite. Did did you see it? I don't know if you follow college football.

Andrew Pace [00:50:59]:

Do you see he took a little bit of an injury on Saturday.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:51:00]:

I didnt see that, I'm Surprised I didn't hear about that.

Andrew Pace [00:51:04]:

follow a

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:51:04]:

I know him. He's a I know he's a beast, but but and he probably should win the Heisman, although he won't. But I didn't see what happened.

Andrew Pace [00:51:13]:

So from certain betting angles, right, the late night games are actually really appealing because a lot of lines makers have have gone to sleep or, you know, they're not running at full capacity on the sportsbooks during those times.

Andrew Pace [00:51:26]:

Jeanty got hurt, and they really took their time to go. And even on the broadcast, say, I don't think he's coming back. And he's trying to put weight on it, trying to put weight on it, trying to put weight on it. And he he shook his head on the sideline. Wyoming goes down the field and makes it like a 3 point game, and all of a sudden, Gentry's just flying down the field. He's back in the game. And I thought that was really curious where it is relevant as well.

Andrew Pace [00:51:51]:

The injury and the significance of the injury, and this is where we could go back to the Josh Allen thing and talk for another, you know, 3 hours here. But the the game and the player and the stakes seem to matter a certain degree as to whether, you know, that player's gonna risk that reinjury and come back into the game. So, you know, Boise was kinda handling the game, and then things got a little tight. And he was back in business running, flying down the field. So I don't know if they pumped him full of something, and and he ended up being okay. But yeah.

Shane Mercer [00:52:23]:

Pace, I just wanted to say, like, we gotta get the doctor live streaming with us. I mean, doctor, we gotta bring you into a live stream and so you could provide some analysis in the middle of a Sunday afternoon or something like that.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:52:36]:

Hey. I mean, I'm I try to watch most of the games again. More often than not, I'm I'm watching it, you know, the the the one cam slot is tough because there's 7, 8, 9 games depending on the weekend. So I'm trying to follow. I have the luxury being able to watch 4, but sometimes, you know, there's an injury in the 7th one that you you don't catch or or one. It's just subtle things that sometimes you you miss unless you're really not watching it. There's one game on. It's easy.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:53:01]:

Right? Everyone's watching. It's not a big deal. But it's like, if it's 7, 8, 9 dings on, like, you you're bound to miss something. There's no way you can watch them all in real time simultaneously.

Shane Mercer [00:53:12]:

Yeah. Pace, you kinda find a way to do it, but I don't I don't want your medical opinion, though, Pace.

Shane Mercer [00:53:21]:

Doctor Jesse Morris, how can people connect with you? How can they find you? Where can they follow you so they can, stay up to date on all the, injuries that are taking place?

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:53:31]:

Yes. So, Twitter is probably my primary, at @DrJesseMorse. I do have an Instagram. I don't use it a lot. We do have a YouTube channel, which is the injury experts and a TikTok for for those of you that love that. And then injuryexperts.com has a a full extensive history of pretty much every relevant player for the NFL. And then there's a a little bit of a deeper section that does daytime updates and daily updates. And then there's a little bit of a betting section if you want, just my analysis in lines and and and and whatnot.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:54:02]:

You can see the whole hit rate and everything. And then, I, you know, my my my for medicine side, my my clinics in Miami, my primary clinics in Miami, that's at what we call the Osteo Center. And then, my new passion project is a a, all natural supplement called All Natural Relief, which is, like, basically, like, a nature's version of Ibuprofen, which is kinda cool called the allnaturalrelief.net that I'm kinda pushing and and working on now, trying to save people's kidneys and livers and and stomachs from ulcers and other stuff. But, yeah, long story short, that's probably the easiest way to find me.

Shane Mercer [00:54:41]:

Awesome. Well, it's been great having you on the show. We'd love to have you back maybe ahead of the next, next NFL season where we could talk about some fantasy implications and and some lingering injuries that might help avoid somebody drafting McCaffrey or or something like that. But, this this was fantastic. Doctor Jesse Morris, thanks for coming on the show.

Dr. Jesse Morse [00:54:58]:

My pleasure. Thank you for having me.

Shane Mercer [00:55:05]:

Alright. Wow. The fantasy doc. That guy was nuts. But time now for the gridiron grind, and I'm sure perhaps injuries will impact the NFL and college football slates ahead. We've got the great Gosu back for that. John Wilson here joining us. Alright, guys.

Shane Mercer [00:55:23]:

Why don't we kick it off, with college? What are we looking at for this upcoming week?

GosuThune [00:55:29]:

Yeah. So, there's actually when there's quite a few games that matter, obviously, because if you're any one of those top 8 or 9 teams, obviously, at the time we're recording this, we don't have the the new rankings yet. But by the time you hear this, they they'll be out. But, you know, if you're Oregon, Ohio State, Texas, Penn State, Notre Dame, Georgia, Tennessee, I think all those teams are locked. You just win your end probably at this point, with what happened last week. But I think the the game that, I'm actually looking at a lot is this Clemson South Carolina game. Where South Carolina is really quietly crept up in the rankings. They're probably gonna be around, like, the 15 to 16 number, and Clemson's gonna be near that 12 to 13 thing.

GosuThune [00:56:09]:

So you have 2 of these top teams playing each other, and there's some weird chance where if they get some help, I think somehow one of these teams might actually have a shot to get it. And so that's an interesting game, that that I'm gonna be looking out for. Otherwise, it's just a bunch of favorites that that just need to win, covering some, you know, pretty big spreads. So

Shane Mercer [00:56:28]:

Sounds like work for the chief parlay officer.

Andrew Pace [00:56:31]:

Exactly. I will just caveat, guys. This is one of the busiest and best weekends, but also the last weekend of the year for college football regular season. So, it's a great time to jump in to inplayLIVE because, yeah, we're we're gonna be really letting it rip this weekend and, obviously, live streaming all day Thursday for the Thanksgiving games in the NFL, Black Friday and NFL college football full slate, on the Friday, and then, yeah, Saturday, typical full Saturday. So it is a really great time for betting, definitely busy and lots of opportunities. And one of the things we love about any sport is motivations, from the standpoint of playoff seeding and all that kind of stuff. So there could be some really unique, opportunities that that present themselves this weekend, which should be should be really exciting. And, yeah, college football's just been a total shit show.

Andrew Pace [00:57:24]:

More losses from good teams this week, and, you know, we thought Indiana needed to maybe beat Ohio State, and it looked like that. It didn't even end up being a factor, this past week. Alright, John. NFL, we got the number one day where teasers are made in football, the turkey teaser on Thanksgiving. Anything you like on on Thursday?

GosuThune [00:57:49]:

I mean, there's some real garbage, in that Giants Cowboys game I'll probably just stay away from. But I you know, the Miami is going up to Green Bay. I think it's gonna be below freezing temperatures there, in Green Bay. So, you know, Tua and that cold weather, normally doesn't doesn't bode well. So you can actually get, the Packers minus 3 flat at at a couple places right now, and make that line closer to 4, and that's just not, you know, weather withstanding. So, I I like that side a lot. I'll probably just stay away from that Lions game. It's so many points.

GosuThune [00:58:24]:

I'm sure people will, you know, tease them down or or do whatever, but, it's just a lot of points for a divisional game, and, you know, it's a weird holiday game. So I just I don't like although the favorites do tend to cover on on Thanksgiving historically.

Andrew Pace [00:58:38]:

The Cowboys are minus 4 at the Giants, and the cowboys were just plus 11 at the Commandos. I just cannot believe

GosuThune [00:58:46]:

Cowboys are at home..

Shane Mercer [00:58:47]:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Andrew Pace [00:58:47]:

I have some doubts. Oh, sorry. We're just in a world where Yeah. Cooper Rush is a favorite. And then we we have a a Black Friday NFL game, another multi touch down or multi sorry, multi score spread Raiders plus 13a half in Kansas City.

GosuThune [00:59:02]:

Yeah. The I this line implies that Desmond Ritter starting who, you know, I think we joked is, like, maybe the worst quarterback on an on an active roster, in the league. So I I I understand, like, why the number would be this bad, but, I've heard that O'Connell may come back for this game. Like, he's cleared to play, I think so. I think O'Connell's a a massive step up from him. So it's that's just so many points for, again, another weird scheduling game, like a daytime game on a Friday. Just just a lot of points up. I'd be tough not to take those.

Andrew Pace [00:59:35]:

Any other standouts on Sunday itself for the games that you're eyeing that you think have some good value?

GosuThune [00:59:41]:

You know, there's not a lot of there's not a lot of, like, really good games. There's a lot of, you know, average teams playing other average teams or just bad teams playing bad teams. The, commanders titans line is interesting to me because it it it seems like it should be a touchdown, like it should be 7, so there's something a little ratty here about this. And I you know, when you watch the commanders play yesterday, they really just weren't that they weren't very good for the vast majority. I mean, they were it was a miracle that they even had a chance to win that game at the end. Right? And I just wonder if Daniels is hurt or just banged up. You know, he's a smaller guy long season. So, Titan's defense is really good.

GosuThune [01:00:19]:

So getting that plus 6 with them, I think, is is is good. I took some of that even though I make the number bigger. I just think there's something not right, with the Commanders. And then I think everybody is looking at that Steelers Bengals game as, like, the rap line of the week, where you have a a a team with a losing record as a favorite against a team that's, like, I don't know what the Steelers are, like, 83, against, like, a 4 and 17, and they're they're an underdog. I think you'd take the Steelers with the points, but that line is actually pretty accurate, I think, from a handicapping perspective.

Andrew Pace [01:00:49]:

Right on. We'll we'll jump to Sunday night football then because this is, well, actually, there's there's 2 really good matchups. We'll we'll save Sunday night football. Eagles taking on the Ravens. I actually don't see a line on this game right now.

Shane Mercer [01:01:01]:

I got 2a half in front of me over under 50a half.

GosuThune [01:01:06]:

Yeah. A couple places have put the 2a half. I think there's some injury questions with, on the Eagles side after that game. So I think, just the you know, it being kind of like a short week with the Eagles playing on Sunday night, but, and then the Ravens obviously playing on Monday night. So it's just kind of a weird game. A lot of times you just don't see those lines out, but, I think this game should be closer to a pick. I just I overall, the AFC North teams actually have a little power rated a little lower than I think most people would would think because they all the the Steelers and the Ravens have such good records. But, yeah, I think the Eagles are just are just rolling.

GosuThune [01:01:41]:

This could be a a little, like, a trap spot for them, but, after such big wins but, yeah, the I'd take the 2a half probably.

Andrew Pace [01:01:49]:

Cool. And then, Niners, where we don't know if Brock Purdy is gonna play at the stages we're recording plus 7 at the Bills.

GosuThune [01:01:56]:

Yeah. So this line to to me, this line implies he is playing, which I think is probably gonna surprise people, that they're still close to a touchdown underdog, with him playing. But I've basically when I remove him and put him back in from a spread, this is the number I get assuming he's back in. So that's just kind of the respect the market has for the Bills and how I think the they're kind of just acknowledging that the 40 niners just really have some problems, like, even even with Purdy. So yeah. I don't I'm not not much of this game. I'd probably tee it's a good look at teaser. Good teaser down for me.

GosuThune [01:02:28]:

I think the Bills will get up for these big games.

Shane Mercer [01:02:31]:

I gotta ask, what's your line if if he isn't playing?

GosuThune [01:02:35]:

If he isn't playing, I'd make it, like, over 10. I'd make this, like, 10 and a half, 11. Right. He's worth at least 3 and a half, 4 points to me. So I I know there's still a lot of people who who don't really believe in in Purdy. I don't think he's anything special. I think he's just a system guy, but, you know, a lot of people who make the numbers disagree. He's treated with about the same respect as, some of the best quarterbacks.

Andrew Pace [01:03:00]:

Well, I've taken a shot at a couple teasers that have lost this past couple couple weekends, but I think teaser spots were really challenging with the commanders. If you're doing 10 point teasers, that loss that they took. And, obviously, the the Texans were a major tease team, this past weekend. But I would agree with you. Buffalo is probably one of the best teaser ops, at the 7 line, of the week. The Bucks, I liked last week. I I do like them again this week even though they I hate road division games, but I I do like them, this week down to 0. But aside from that, not a lot screaming out at me.

Andrew Pace [01:03:39]:

The Steelers plus 9 is is really interesting on a teaser. That one I I like a lot. Kinda how you alluded to, I think the Commander's down to to 0 or to plus a half makes a lot of sense, but there's there just seems like there's something wrong with that game, and I'm I'm kinda I'm kinda with you on that. Getting the Chiefs down to 6a half is interesting, but I I hate doing that. And the Chiefs just find ways to make games tight when they shouldn't be as we've seen all season long. So when I go through the whole menu, one of my favorite things to do is is bet on a teaser on Thanksgiving. I don't think I'm gonna do it this year because it's just like Yeah. Yeah.

Andrew Pace [01:04:17]:

The minus 11, the Cowboys' favorites, and then the Packers going through 0. I I I agree with you on the Packers. I think that's a a great opportunity. But, from a teaser standpoint, it's not looking too appealing. So, yeah, with with all that, I think I would probably just do, the Steelers and and the and the Bills as a as a as a 2 pick, 6 point teaser. And that would be my favorite spot to to pull the trigger, this week.

GosuThune [01:04:42]:

Yeah. I mean, I know I think we talked about, maybe discussing a little bit about how you can get an advantage line, with Juice, because the Juice stays the same when you tease. Right? And so if you can find a book that has, for instance, like, a really juicy Steelers plus 3a half, you put that with something else that's, like, a 6a half point teaser get to 10 on that for the same juice you would on a book that has the 2a half or the 3. You can get a huge advantage, so I think it's important to kinda shop around on those things.

Andrew Pace [01:05:13]:

Yeah. We've actually we've never touched on that on this show before. And just so you guys understand what, John is saying is when you're looking at a betting menu, it's very typical for you to have minus 110 on both sides of a spread. So if you if you do go through that menu, most of the games will likely be minus 1 tens on most books on both sides. And that's obviously the coin flip with the VIG, with the sportsbook. But what you'll see before the line itself moves is, let's say, you have a minus 2a half at minus 110 and and a lot of money is coming in there. There's potential for that to move to minus 115, minus 120, and then the line would actually move to 3, before that. And then when it moves to 3, it might actually go to minus 105 before it goes to minus 110.

Andrew Pace [01:05:55]:

So what he's referencing there is if you have a juicy side, there's theoretical value on that side when you're making a teaser because the teaser will pay the same regardless of the juice. So in this example, let's say you got the Steelers plus 3a half at, say, minus 115 or minus 120, and the other side is even money or minus 105. You've just gotten a teaser that pay at a sportsbook that pays the same amount regardless of the juice on the spread on that plus. So, you know, if you have a 3 pick 6 point teaser that's playing out 1 plus 160, you didn't buy a 2 point o line. You bought a minus 115 or minus 120 line, at the same price, which is something that, if you really are disciplined with this stuff and you're not forcing 1 each week, it's easy to just cross off a reason not to take something. And if you go, okay. I wanna make sure all my teasers either go down through to, you know, 1 on the favorite side or go through 8a half on the plus side. If you make another rule where you go, I'm not gonna do it unless it's the minus 115 or better side.

Andrew Pace [01:07:02]:

You're gonna have a really profitable season doing it. It's just gonna be low volume.

Shane Mercer [01:07:07]:

Wow. Great great tips there and and actionable advice for the audience. Something I've never thought about. So thanks for sharing that, guys.

Andrew Pace [01:07:15]:

Awesome.

Shane Mercer [01:07:15]:

Alright. Well, that sounds like a a wrap on the slate and a wrap on our show for this week. So pace, John, sports betters around the world, fantasy players too. Hope you enjoyed the doctor. Till next week. Keep beating those books. Thanks for tuning in to another episode of Behind the Lines. Remember to like, download, and subscribe.

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