Episode 97

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Shane Mercer [00:00:15]:

Oh, I didn't realize that that the, oh, that the NBA all star break and the NHL break are aligning.

Shane Mercer [00:00:21]:

I'm a bit concerned. I I've I'm already getting, like, a bit of a, like, withdrawal. And, well, there's people that didn't even know that it was aligning. I'm like, oh, wait a minute. Hold on.

Andrew Pace [00:00:29]:

You're like, hold base. Wait. I haven't planned for vacation. I'm Yes. What?

Shane Mercer [00:00:36]:

Out. Hello. Welcome in. It's behind the lines powered by Pinnacle, purifying the sports betting industry. I'm Shane. Peace pace, we got a show for you today. Fighting the books, Super Bowl stage is set. Was the game rigged? And we we look back on the NFL season.

Shane Mercer [00:01:01]:

How did we do? Find out in a little bit, but pace, first, we were just sort of chatting right before we started rolling here. Astute viewers, people who watch on YouTube on the regular and maybe not listening might notice that my setup's a little bit different. I've been able to make some adjustments and things like that, and I've got my my betting setup all rolled into my podcast setup now. So so this is my first episode in the spot. Forgive any kind of technical mistakes that might happen. Hope hopefully, nothing major, but, feeling comfortable here.

Andrew Pace [00:01:26]:

Shane, I think from my side of things, you know, we're a small production. We don't have a studio. You know, I'm in Vancouver. You're in Toronto. You look like a little bit closer to a studio. You look like the more professional you look and sound like the more professional of the 2 of us. But, Shane, that's also always been the case.

Shane Mercer [00:01:48]:

Oh, well, I don't know about that. I mean, you've got a great setup over there. We've I've already have seen your betting setup, which is, you know, superstar setup. In fact, I've even seen people taking images of your setup pace. We had a couple of texts about that about a week ago or so on social media and using your setup in, like, their profile pics and things like that. I actually went back and forth with 1 guy. I'm like, that setup looks awfully familiar. And he was like, what do you mean? And I'm like, well, I've actually sat at that desk and I know the guy who sits there on the regular.

Shane Mercer [00:02:16]:

Right.

Shane Mercer [00:02:18]:

And he was like, oh, what? He's like, I just want to aspire to getting a setup like that. I'm using it as inspiration. I was like, great inspiration. I mean, it's it's a it's a legendary setup.

Andrew Pace [00:02:27]:

Did he question the caliber of your being a father?

Shane Mercer [00:02:34]:

Oh, no. He didn't. Thankfully, he did it. And I got I'll report to you that that a lot of my threads interactions over the past week since we last chatted about it, have been mostly positive. Of course, there's going to be some back and forth with some people out there, you know, with a negative connotation. But I gotta say a lot of my interactions are very positive. Even the ones that, are argumentative in nature, very positive. So, having a lot of fun on there.

Shane Mercer [00:02:59]:

If anyone out there is listening and wants to give me a follow on threads, I'm I'm interacting big time out there. I've even started my own, like, hashtag pace. I've got a positive EV hashtag that never existed before as a as sort of a topic on threads, and, I've got some people posting in there now. So so if you guys wanna give me a follow, but also use the hashtag positive e v. That's, you know, full, full word with e v on the end. Great space to to have conversations about, you know, what real sharp bettors are doing.

Andrew Pace [00:03:28]:

You know what's interesting about what you said there is the positivity thing. You're like, I'm seeing a lot of positivity out there. I I gotta toot your horn a little bit, Shane, because I found you. We touched on this on your breaking of a 100 k episode. I found you. You'd already found me, through an email where I get a lot of emails, a lot of solicitation, and bullshit like that. I think everyone does. I don't I don't think I'm an exception there.

Andrew Pace [00:03:54]:

But, specifically, within PlayLive, get a lot of, like, b to b type sales stuff. And, let's put it this way. It's very easy to distinguish a genuine and heartfelt email from you versus the bullshit that I get on a day to day basis. And the reason why I bring it up is because from that moment onward, I've gotten nothing but positivity from you. And you but you get what you put out there in the world. So when you're a positive and happy guy, does that mean you never get angry? Does that mean you never get, you know, frustrated, disturbed, all that kind of stuff? Of course not. There's an episode at the start of the season where we had a big weekend that you told us about how some issues in your personal life affected your betting, and you didn't have a big weekend. Right? But, ultimately, when you are someone who sees things in a certain light, it really helps with ignoring the noise, that can come in the whole any space, but the online space is so toxic and negative.

Andrew Pace [00:04:52]:

It it really helps to filter that all out and ignore it. So, kudos to you. And if you want a little dose of positivity in your life, go follow Shane on that stupid platform called.

Shane Mercer [00:05:06]:

Having fun out there, and, yeah, you guys wanna connect. I'm connecting with a lot of other people who are thinking in sharp ways. So, kind of benefiting from that a little bit and and getting the conversation going, you know, just sort of shifting it away from from a lot of the crap that's out there. So, you know, join me over there. Let's let you know, we we can chat it up. Alright. We're gonna get into all things, NFL related because I know that that's what people wanna hear about. They wanna talk about it.

Shane Mercer [00:05:31]:

We're sort of at that moment where it's just like the Super Bowl stage is set and a lot of reaction to the games that took place over the weekend. And and we'll get to that, in a moment here. But but first, I just wanna share something very quickly, and we won't spend a lot of time on a pace, but but there's some sort of I I I enjoyed this. I'm gonna do a quick screen share here for for everybody out there that's, that that's watching on YouTube because, I came across this article and I, you know, face I love to share news. I'm a big fan of Time Magazine. It kind of, it was an early part of my life as a kid. My dad always beat me to Time Magazine articles and a big part of how I ended up getting into into the news business and journalism and all that. But, anyway, I came across this, and I thought it was pretty interesting.

Shane Mercer [00:06:12]:

It's a long read. Anybody out there that's thinking about reading it, prepare yourself. It's, like, 17 minutes, which is pretty long in today's day and age for for news articles. But, Time Magazine, the man who took on big tobacco has a new target, sports betting. Let let's go. So this guy let's go. Right? This guy's after it. So I'll I'll just give you guys some of the Coles notes from the article if if Ben you know, maybe you guys wanna go read it, but, Pase, there's a couple of things in here that I think are pretty interesting that you might be interested in.

Shane Mercer [00:06:36]:

So, this guy is Richard Dehner. He's the president of the Public Health Advocacy Institute at Northeastern Universities Law School. As the headline suggests, he was a big, a big time lawyer in the fight against big tobacco in the nineties, and and now he's going after the books. He actually filed a lawsuit against DraftKings in 2023. That's currently moving through the courts. He went after them for claiming to offer a $1,000 to everyone who signed up. And, you know, pays us. We all know by now, or a lot of us do, and you certainly do.

Shane Mercer [00:07:09]:

These kinds of bonuses, you know, come with deposit requirements, rollover requirements. And and in this case, it was actually, like, bonus bets that people were getting, not cash. You know, but they made it seem like, hey. Sign up. You're gonna get a $1,000 cash. Right? And and, you know, that that's all part of sort of the the, the false advertising that that sort of taken place over the last several years. Something else, though, that I took away from this is that this guy is actually working on a piece of federal legislation. So for the US, but something that would affect the entire country are called the Safe Bet Act.

Shane Mercer [00:07:41]:

He's working with a New York, Democrat, on this. They're drafting it, putting it together. It would ban sports gambling advertising during live events. So it would essentially remove all of that from from the games that we're watching. It would also stop operators from accepting more than 5 deposits from an individual in a 24 hour period, and it would eliminate the use of AI to track bettors, gambling Wow. Which would be, something pretty interesting too. So that's something we're working on. Now there's something else in here, Payson.

Shane Mercer [00:08:16]:

I was I'm gonna scroll through it. Like I said, it's a nice lengthy article here. You see him as a youngster there. If anybody is interested in raising it, designate some time, like I said. But, check this out. I got this graphic here. How much Americans spent on legal sports betting over the past several years here 2020 to 2024. And I mean, it's basically gone up by $30,000,000,000 a year, averaging about $30,000,000,000 increase per year.

Shane Mercer [00:08:43]:

And I was just thinking, PACE, I think you started IPL in 2020 And, you know, now here we are in 2024. I think I joined IPL, you know, somewhere in this area halfway through about 2022, summer 2022. But, man, what an increase. You know, how have you sort of seen things change as as the amount of money being wagered has changed over the years?

Andrew Pace [00:09:05]:

Jeez. What a question. So can I just clarify, like, is money spent money lost, or is that money wagered?

Shane Mercer [00:09:14]:

I think that's money wagered.

Andrew Pace [00:09:16]:

Okay. But we don't know for sure. Right?

Shane Mercer [00:09:19]:

It's not clear. They're they're using that term money wagered, and and they're saying spent. I'm gonna I'm gonna go with money wagered.

Andrew Pace [00:09:26]:

Right. Well, I think, like

Shane Mercer [00:09:28]:

Which is yeah. Right. We we can talk about rollover and that kind of Yeah.

Andrew Pace [00:09:32]:

I think I think, you know, like, there's certain things in this industry that I'm comfortable in saying that I'm an expert in, and I think, like, that question, I'm I'm not qualified to answer. Like, I can talk about a few things, but at the same time, it really isn't, you know, my total area of expertise. We're gonna be talking about this in a bit here. But as we get into the Super Bowl, it's obviously the most wagered game of the year, in in the United States. And and, yeah, there's a lot to unpack there. Now looking at the stock charts of these same companies where you go, look how much money is being spent on sports betting. Well, they still haven't solved the Rubik's cube of of making money. And, you know, this killer that's out there going, hey.

Andrew Pace [00:10:12]:

You owe us all a $1,000, and, you're not allowed to do these things anymore. I think on this podcast, we always sorta had have this light of, like, you know, the sportsbooks are bad, and they're doing this and that. But at the same time, you know, we're talking about, you know, players using friends' accounts or client accounts or beards as they're called, getting arrested. And then, you know, we have this this side of it, like the other side, you know, throwing the punches and the blows and things like that. And at the end of the day, it all needs to coexist, and it all needs to settle in a place where the problem gambler is protected, the winning player is able to play, and the sportsbooks are able to make a fair earnings for their staff and their shareholders. That equation hasn't been solved, and we're far from solving it. And I think that's evidenced in the in the stock charts for, you know, DraftKings being a great example.

Shane Mercer [00:11:12]:

Yeah.

Andrew Pace [00:11:13]:

Right? So, I I think that would be kinda my take on it. As far as, like, people betting and patterns, I think in these last 4 years, I've seen it all. I've seen people that were degenerate gamblers come into our group and pick things up as if they were handed the golden chalice to their life and the keys to the kingdom, and run with it and succeed. I've seen the complete other side of that where the problem gambling transcends the strategy itself. So if you have a profitable strategy, the gambler behind the strategy will still find a way, you know, ultimately to lose their money or continue or create a problem. I've seen people come into money that never had it before, that their personalities changed. They became different people. They didn't become someone people that I want to be around.

Andrew Pace [00:12:05]:

I've seen people blow 100 of 1,000 of dollars on, you know, garages full of vehicles that now don't have any money anymore. And then I've seen guys like you, Shane, that have come in, bet responsibly, grown their unit sizes according as according to this article, Shane, you have spent more.

Shane Mercer [00:12:28]:

Right? Spent a lot more.

Andrew Pace [00:12:29]:

You're spending a lot more in the space.

Shane Mercer [00:12:32]:

Sometimes I look at the rollover, and I'm just like, I can't even believe that. Like, it to think that I would have, you know, bet that much in a day or in a week is just like sometimes I'm like, I can't I would never have even fathomed it, say, to you.

Andrew Pace [00:12:45]:

Yeah. I mean, I've I've looked at weekends where I'm like, holy shit. Like, I've I've wagered, I've wagered 7 figures, you know, with

Shane Mercer [00:12:54]:

Through the weekend. Yeah. Yeah. It's insane. Absolutely nuts. And then there's moments too where it's just like, you know, you have a lot of money out. Right? There could be moments throughout a a a session where it's like, holy crap. I've got a lot of money out there in play.

Shane Mercer [00:13:09]:

You know? And it maybe not all definitely not all on one wager, but just a lot out there. And it's like, woah. I need I need a few of these to turn the check marks here.

Shane Mercer [00:13:17]:

Right. Right. Right. Right. Right.

Andrew Pace [00:13:18]:

Yeah. And and, hopefully, they do. But, yeah, I think, you know, just the spending alone, if you take a player that is comfortable with losing a certain amount, I think those amounts amounts naturally increase. So a recreational player that's like, I bet $50 on a weekend in 2,020, Is that same player saying I bet $50 on the weekend today? Well, there's a lot there. Like, spending more includes inflation. Inflation's been off the charts in the last 4 years. Right? So there's one aspect of it. The second is the your tolerance for for loss, your willingness to chase more, your willingness to break your budget.

Andrew Pace [00:13:58]:

And then the third is guys like us, right, that want to get more money down, that have bankrolls that are larger, that know that the more money you get down equals greater profit in the long term provided that you're doing it, responsibly. Fearless responsibility is is what I like to call it. So if you're, you know, a fearless sports bettor that's doing it within the confines of your bank role, you're gonna quote be spending more. Right?

Shane Mercer [00:14:26]:

Yeah. Yeah.

Andrew Pace [00:14:26]:

You know? And and then separately of that, from 2020 to 2024, how many states were legal compared to how many are legal? And, naturally, you're gonna spend more on regulated sportsbooks when you have more states participating in the in the study. So they might that that might be used to look somewhat grim or make people go look at what's happening with the world, but there's there's more to it than than that when it's spending. If it's losses, it's a different story.

Shane Mercer [00:14:57]:

Yeah. Yeah. But you're right. Spending and then thinking about it too, you know, you probably have a few more sharps entering the space over the that course of time, those sharps growing their bankrolls. And and, you know, that that spending increases exponentially at that point, right, when they're when they're, you know, their bankrolls are growing and it really rolling rolling over.

Andrew Pace [00:15:14]:

And what we're seeing, like, one of the biggest things so if we're talking about 2020 to 2024 and some of the things I've seen, what we're seeing is sportsbooks that had a tolerance for a player to come into their ecosystem and try to win and giving them a little bit of a leash where you go, you know, this guy's betting 50 or a $100. You know, he's up to 5,000 in profit now. We're gonna cut him off. What we're seeing more and more now is the player cut off immediately. So zero tolerance or appetite for that player even having a chance at winning or losing. And I think they're really missing the mark there. And this is gonna be a topic for another podcast. I hope it can be in the couple weeks, Shane.

Andrew Pace [00:16:01]:

But I'm gonna talk about an experience that I've had with the sports book that I think is gonna be really shocks some people in a positive way.

Shane Mercer [00:16:07]:

Wow.

Andrew Pace [00:16:08]:

In a positive way.

Shane Mercer [00:16:09]:

Oh, looking forward to that. Alright. Alright. Well, yeah, in a positive way. Alright. Well, look at well, you know, that sounds yeah. I'm intrigued. Yeah.

Andrew Pace [00:16:16]:

The story will be told no matter what. How it's told is is still up and in the air. It's still up and in the air.

Shane Mercer [00:16:23]:

Alright. Alright. We we gotta we gotta wait for the story to end before we could we could release it to the masses.

Shane Mercer [00:16:28]:

Okay. Let's move on and talk about the Super Bowl. Stages set. Eagles, Chiefs. But, you know, off the top of the show here, we talked about some of my, interactions on threads. I can tell you, PACE, today, a lot of it has been focused on the game being ranked, specifically the Bills Chiefs game. And I think we were going to see this kind of reaction no matter what. I think I think there might have even been reaction if if the Bills had won that game of it still being like the Bills overcame the refs.

Shane Mercer [00:17:04]:

The Bills beat the refs and made it to the made it to the Super Bowl. Obviously, that's not the discourse that's out there today. Everybody out there talking about, you know, the Chiefs going get it, making it back and everything going going against the bills when it came to calls and all of that. But, Pace, I don't know, you know, if if, I I think I was watching the same game as everybody else. I felt like the calls went equally, you know, flags were flying on both sides against both sides.

Andrew Pace [00:17:33]:

Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, it's it's interesting. So I think I think the the public desperately wants to see Kansas City lose. Just the masses are now on board with hating them. That isn't so some people will be like, oh, it's the same as what was with the patriots. Now I am biased when we start getting into this discussion. People hated Tom Brady.

Andrew Pace [00:17:55]:

They hated the New England patriots. They were a dynasty. Yeah. Sure. Sure. I get it. This feels different to me. Also, the reason why I'm biased, I'm big Tom Brady fan.

Andrew Pace [00:18:05]:

So, you know, maybe I'm not qualified to speak on this either. But I've witnessed some things from Patrick Mahomes in the last couple of seasons. The first being when the Bills beat them in the regular season, and they went to shake hands, and he started complaining about the officials. I watched that in real time that night, and I had never been so disgusted at a lack of sportsmanship in my life. I had nothing against the Kansas City Chiefs. As manship in my life. I had nothing against the Kansas City Chiefs. Absolutely nothing.

Andrew Pace [00:18:31]:

I'm a huge praiser of Mahomes' talent. Yeah. Am I am I tired of them a little bit? Yeah. Sure. But you know what I used to say to people when they complained about the Patriots? I'd say, I feel sorry for you because every single year just must be torture watching them just fucking keep doing what they're doing every single year. Well, I'm starting to feel that torture now because I have developed a hate for I love Andy Reid. I love the Kansas City Chiefs team and everything they're doing. They have been one of the most profitable teams for me in so many different aspects of football since Patrick Mahomes became no.

Andrew Pace [00:19:08]:

Since since basically Tyreek Hill was on that team with Andy Reid as the coach, they have been so freaking profitable to me, but the distaste comes specifically. I don't care about the Taylor Swift shit. I don't care about the conspiracies, any of that stuff. It's Patrick Mahomes in that moment with Josh Allen, and it's the the flop that that he got. Now the conspiracy stuff has some weight. It really does. Because when you go look at all the data, flags for and against and everything, the the the penalties, you can say, well, they're just a well coached team. They're not gonna be penalized as much, but there's a lot of missed calls.

Andrew Pace [00:19:45]:

There are on both sides, both teams, any games, any organizations, whatever. But there there's some pretty overwhelming data there. Now as far as the Bills Chiefs game went, it was noticeable that the Chiefs were not getting the treatment and the flags and the bullshit that they were getting in other games. So I agree with you. I don't think that that game was, like, rigged or overly biased. Now this is the second time in the playoffs this year where CBS has an angle of a game, and it's the overhead cam. Is it Fox or CBS? John would know. But, apparently, you're not allowed to share the overhead cam with the NFL when it's a certain broadcast channel on it.

Andrew Pace [00:20:25]:

We saw the overhead angle. We we were able to see it, and and he did get a first down. He did.

Shane Mercer [00:20:31]:

The first down. Yeah.

Andrew Pace [00:20:34]:

Okay. That's the one thing there, and it was a major moment in the game that Chiefs scored a touchdown after that to take the lead. That was a big moment. He simply got the first down. You can see it from the overhead angle. I don't think the overhead angle is even available online. I don't know if I could get it now. But I I saw it.

Andrew Pace [00:20:50]:

He got the 1st down.

Shane Mercer [00:20:51]:

I I agree. I think he got the 1st down too. I saw that. You know? But but here's everything else that that, you know, I think it's overlooked in that situation where it's like, did he get the 1st down? Did he not get the 1st down? Yeah. You see the angle. I think he got the 1st down. Obviously, the refs would have been able to look at it and say, you know, maybe he'd you know, have a have an a a conversation about it because it was very close. It's not like he got it by a mile.

Shane Mercer [00:21:15]:

He got it by, you know, maybe a couple of inches. And the Bills kept putting themselves in that spot. They kept putting themselves in that spot. How many times did they have to go for it on 4th down? And and And you keep putting yourself there.

Andrew Pace [00:21:28]:

And then they got the ball they got the ball down 3. If you tell me Josh Allen has the ball with 240 left down 3 to go win and go to the Super Bowl, you couldn't ask for a better chance in football, and they fucking blew it. They blew it.

Shane Mercer [00:21:40]:

They blew it. They blew it. And that defense didn't come up didn't didn't come up with big stops for them when they absolutely needed it.

Andrew Pace [00:21:47]:

One of the most controversial NFL calls of all time was the Saints Falcons game with the missed PI call, that caught that led to the Falcons beating the Saints. Everyone was up in arms. In fact, it led to a rule change. The next season, pass interference in the NFL, you could challenge. It was the worst rule change ever because they essentially just made every single call stand. It wasted the viewer's time. It was a joke. But that specific call led to the rule being changed.

Andrew Pace [00:22:21]:

What no one talks about is the saints got the ball in overtime tied. They got the ball in overtime tied, and they fucking punted the football. And then the falcons went down and went won won the game. So this is the thing about sports. Think about basketball. Like, football is so all this stuff is gonna be so subjective. Right? Football is so much more black and white than basketball. If you slow down every single layup, every single play in basketball, there's contact.

Andrew Pace [00:22:54]:

They touched them, this, that, the other. There's similarities with football, but it's so much more black and white. And people are this is the thing. Everything snowballed and compounded where it's like they're cheating. Here's the narrative, and now anything you find that fits that narrative gets blasted online and and becomes truth. The Bills had the ball to go win the game. They fucking blew it. Here we are again, Patrick Holmes in the Super Bowl.

Shane Mercer [00:23:20]:

There we go. That you know, and that's exactly it. Right? They had their chance. They could have won the game. Kinkade should caught the ball. Like, I mean How do you drop You gotta make you gotta make that catch.

Andrew Pace [00:23:30]:

Second drop of the game.

Shane Mercer [00:23:31]:

You know? Yeah. You know, like, you gotta make that catch. Like, they're the they they they blew it. Like you said, they they they failed to beat the Chiefs again. And and I don't think I don't think it was because of of a call from the ref on on a fourth down after you repeatedly put yourself in 4th down, you know, an inches spots. You're gonna have one of those calls go against you at some point. Yeah. And so, anyway, the you know, I'm glad you brought up the basketball reference though because as I'm sort of going through the feed and and, you know, people are talking about the that being rigged.

Shane Mercer [00:24:01]:

I'm seeing some a whole bunch of other people who lost some big parlay, you know, in in NBA because DeRozan, didn't get a 4th rebound. And they're showing the highlight of DeRozan getting the board, except what they're what they're failing to see is that it was actually tipped to him by a player on his team. And this is this is just feeds into your whole, thing there about NBA, you know, being so much grayer and less black and white than the NFL because you have you have so many moments in a basketball game like that where it's like, oh, so and so tipped it to him. He didn't actually get the board. You know? And it's like, you could argue that he that he came away with the ball in that moment, but, you know, there there's so much that's gonna happen. But people wanna just grab on to something, latch on to something, put it out there and claim it's raped Right. Because they lost their bet. You know? And it's, it it's just annoying and frustrating.

Andrew Pace [00:24:52]:

Right. Now to to to to play the other hand again, the thing I said about the flags is, like, a factually correct thing. It the Chiefs should be a a less penalized team. They're a dynasty. They're the best team in the league. Everyone hates them. They get to be up on the pedestal where they're the well coached team, and they're playing against teams that aren't as well coached as them. There should be more flags in their direction on that basis alone, but it is it is a little it seems a little fishy there.

Andrew Pace [00:25:22]:

Now from the Houston game, we have a rule change next season. So I just mentioned the PI thing with Julio Jones or Saints, whatever it was, Michael Thomas. I can't remember who it was. Mention that PI thing. There was a rule change from it. Next year, we're gonna have what what was what do they call it? Instant replay? It's not instant replay. It's replay assist. Replay assist was phenomenal this season.

Andrew Pace [00:25:47]:

It was such a great addition to football. Well, the clock is running, not wasting the viewers' time, not some big challenge with commercials. A announcer comes on. They quickly stop the clock. Replay assist has confirmed. This was an incomplete pass when they called it complete. They are gonna have that now for sliding players. If the player starts going down before the defender sorry.

Andrew Pace [00:26:11]:

If the player starts going down and the defender has already committed to the tackle, they will be looking at that and picking it up based on replay assist. It's because of what Mahomes did in the game against Houston. So they're making a positive change from it. Unfortunately, it won't be the case in the Super Bowl. But, yeah, I mean, that's a positive change in in my eyes. They need to add it for face masks, like, really, really obvious things. Like, a face mask is, like, there's no gray area. So face mask's a really good one.

Andrew Pace [00:26:44]:

Hitting a player out of bounds, I didn't realize this. So a lot of people were really pissed off about the flag on Saquon Barkley when he stepped out of bounds. And and we have a narrative going, Trampus is a Chiefs fan at inplayLIVE. So he he says the the the Eagles get all the calls. They get all the calls. Right? And and he's it's funny when you build the narrative. All you have to do is just say it when it happens, and people are like, oh.

Shane Mercer [00:27:06]:

Oh, yeah.

Andrew Pace [00:27:06]:

Right? That's all you have to do. But with the Saquon one, replay assist came in on that one. I didn't know that they could come in on that. And his foot just barely touched out of bounds. If his foot was up, so we're talking a millisecond earlier, they would have been able to pick the flag up, which is amazing. It removes the the it that makes it black and white. I don't think that flag should have been thrown. But by rule, they couldn't pick it up because his foot had touched down out of bounds, and then he was contacted after that.

Andrew Pace [00:27:37]:

So more extremely black and white quick reviews in the NFL will be a positive thing where you can't you can't miss a face mask. Josh Allen snuck the football yesterday on 4th and 1. He fumbled the football afterwards, and the Chiefs almost recovered it. The Bills ended up, getting the 1st down on this particular play. But his face mask was ripped on the play. I understand why that wasn't called. It was really hard to see, but when we watch the replay, it would be the fastest replay assist. There was a face mask on this call, added 15 yards.

Andrew Pace [00:28:10]:

Boom. Done. We move on. And the thing is is no one gets upset when you get the call right. So if you are a Chiefs fan in that moment, you see the replay and that you don't go you don't go terrible call. You go, Yeah. He grabbed it.

Shane Mercer [00:28:24]:

Yep. Yeah. You're not you're not gonna be able to deny it. I think I feel like we lost a bet at some point in the season pace on, like, the most egregious face mask.

Andrew Pace [00:28:32]:

Yeah we did.

Shane Mercer [00:28:33]:

And I I can't I can't remember the game or who it was, but I just remember the moment.

Andrew Pace [00:28:37]:

Well, Shane, thousands of bets behind us, man. Thousands of bets behind us.

Shane Mercer [00:28:43]:

Seriously, thousands. And and it's not an exaggeration. It's, yeah, thousands of bets on an untold number of dollars between the within the community. Very, very likely in the in the multimillions. Tens of 1,000,000 of dollars probably wagered, if you look at the community as a whole.

Andrew Pace [00:28:59]:

For sure. 10,000,000 of dollars wagers.

Shane Mercer [00:29:02]:

But let let's talk about that. How did IPL do over the course of the season when it came to football?

Andrew Pace [00:29:06]:

Yeah. So 2,918 wagers between NFL preseason, college football, and NFL.

Shane Mercer [00:29:15]:

2,918. 2,918

Andrew Pace [00:29:19]:

2,918 wagers made.

Shane Mercer [00:29:20]:

2918. Got it.

Andrew Pace [00:29:21]:

Now this is an important differentiation that I feel as though inplayLIVE has adopted over the last 4 or throughout the last 4 years. And this actually speaks to the conversation that you just had, and I didn't even know that you were gonna bring that up. Money spent.

Shane Mercer [00:29:36]:

Oh, yeah.

Andrew Pace [00:29:37]:

So our average unit on on a call that we would make, we would basically call a unit on everything. We wouldn't actually even differentiate. We would just say this is what we were taking. We kinda left it in the user's hand to decide what they wanted to bet. And some negative feedback we received more or less around 16 months ago, I would say, maybe a year and a half ish ago, was that, our wager sizes were now too small because we were calling a lot of quarter units instead of full units. So of those 2,118 wagered calls, the average unit size per call was 0.28 units. So much closer to a quarter unit than a half unit and certainly much closer to a quarter unit than a full unit. So when it comes to betting and money management and whatever it is that you guys are out there doing, don't let anyone else dictate your success.

Andrew Pace [00:30:32]:

Let them help you and guide you in your journey. But how much you bet on anything is your decision. If you're not practicing proper money management, it has nothing to do with me. I've taught you what I do, and what you do is ultimately your decision. If you place a bet that I advised you on or anyone else did, you place the wager, and it's only your fault as to whether you wagered a responsible amount or not and whether or not you had an edge. That's not someone else's responsibility. It just simply is yours. So from my standpoint, sometimes I look back at 2,918 wagers placed in the season, of course, that we still have the Super Bowl pending, with an average unit size of 0.28, you can make an argument that we should have put 2 units on everything because we had a positive ROI on, more or less, every strategy that that we we deployed throughout the season.

Andrew Pace [00:31:21]:

But when it comes to money spent and what we do at inplayLIVE is I don't call a bet that I can't physically take myself. So that means if it's on a sportsbook that I don't have, I might say, yes, guys. I would take that for this much, but I can't put that on our tracker because I don't have that sportsbook. And the second thing is I don't make calls that I can't get that unit size in. And right now as we're recording this, my full unit is about $10,000. So if I can't get $5,000 down on the wager, I will not call it for a half unit. I'll call it for a quarter unit. Now that doesn't necessarily convert to your bankroll, Shane.

Andrew Pace [00:32:06]:

You might be able to very easily get a unit in. If your full size unit is $500, that's probably gonna be a little bit more manageable. Take it a step further. If your full size unit is $50, you never have a concern getting a full unit in. So I would say with the the growth from 2020 to 2024, we're calling a lot less full units and a lot more quarter units simply because the people making the calls have 7 figure success stories. So it's not easy to just put $50,000 down on a live wager on, you know, potentially a derivative market. Right? Like, we not we might not be betting on the Chiefs' money line. We might be betting on, something a little bit different.

Shane Mercer [00:32:48]:

Right? Yeah.

Andrew Pace [00:32:49]:

Of those 2,918 wagers, there was 1,000 sorry. 1581 wins, 1337 losses. That's a 54.2% win rate. And the average price so, you you know, typical pregame is gonna assume minus 110. Well, our average price of our winners was 2.07 or plus 107 for a gain of a 100.31 total units. If you were to extrapolate the 0.28 units, as as full units, which, again, some members have the ability to do if your unit size is smaller. And the the other side of that is the other side of that is you're never gonna get all the bets, but that would translate to 357 units, if if your quarter unit was was a a full unit, with an ROI of 12.04%. So double digit ROI, which is just awesome.

Andrew Pace [00:33:48]:

Now if we remove, the NFL, the numbers are actually gonna go up. College football, was 14.43% ROI. 12 15 wagers made, 6 185 wins, 530 losses, 56.4% hit rate. And if we remove college football and we just look at the NFL and the NFL preseason, 52.6% win rate, 10.63% ROI. But, ultimately, about equal. 45 units came from college football and 55 units came from the NFL, and that can sometimes again be what I was just saying. NFL is a little bit easier to get money down than college football. College football, the the handle isn't quite as high as the NFL.

Andrew Pace [00:34:28]:

So, even though the ROI on college football was higher, the unit distribution was, not the same, but close to the same.

Shane Mercer [00:34:37]:

Wow. That's really impressive. Okay. So it was, just over a 100 units total footballs combined.

Andrew Pace [00:34:43]:

Correct.

Shane Mercer [00:34:44]:

Yeah. Okay. Wow. And and when you do look at it, because a lot of people out there can, bet significantly more than a quarter unit on a lot of those calls that that you guys are calling for quarter units. And, I think, you know, I I know myself, Payson, and I don't wanna speak for the other pros or or, you know, people who are coaching within the Imply Life community, but I know myself. I tell people with smaller bank roles, like, you know, bet 1%, you know, when you start and and maybe call that your unit size or, you know and every time a a call comes in, whether it's a quarter unit or a half unit, put down 1% minimum. And if, you know, the guys are like, I get a full unit on this, go up to 2 and a half percent of your bankroll, whatever that might be, to to really sort of to to maximize because, you know, I I do sort of tell people that, hey. You're you know, these pros, they have way bigger bankrolls, and they can't bet that much.

Shane Mercer [00:35:32]:

And so for you as a smaller bankroll, if you wanna grow faster, bet more than the quarter unit being advised.

Shane Mercer [00:35:39]:

Right. Yeah.

Andrew Pace [00:35:39]:

That makes sense.

Shane Mercer [00:35:40]:

Yeah. That that's what I tell people. But, I mean, look. I know that that, you know, it can be different out there. It can be you know, different people will will approach it in different ways, and some people are more conservative. Some are much less conservative. You know, it's it's it's it all depends on on who you are and what your risk tolerance is.

Andrew Pace [00:35:56]:

Totally. And and, you know, the thing is is zooming out is a powerful tool as a sports bettor. If you're sitting here listening, you might be a member where you're like, what? It wasn't that easy or it wasn't that good. You know? And and if I go month by month, it looks a little different. Right? Right.

Shane Mercer [00:36:14]:

Yeah.

Andrew Pace [00:36:14]:

You know, there there was there's definitely some tough times throughout the season. September, we had nearly a 20% ROI in this is just the NFL, not college football. 20% ROI. October, 2.3%. The first two weeks were brutal. November, 1.3%. The 1st 2 weeks were brutal. December, 7.3%.

Andrew Pace [00:36:30]:

All four positive, but we had our worst day of our history of inplayLIVE, I think, on December 23rd. It was, like, a negative 5 or 6 unit stream. You know, we we we we've had many positive days above that metric, but it's very rare for us to have, like, you know, multiunit loss days. And it was just one of those days. It was a bad day. It happens. Right? So, there and we talk about, oh, it's still positive. Again, that zoomed out.

Andrew Pace [00:37:00]:

That ignores that one day that this happened or that happened and, you know, potentially broke someone or broke multiple people. They couldn't survive that one little, you know, struggle, that one little wave of of challenge and difficulty. You know, it it's it's there is a human element to this stuff. And, you know, I just talked about the different types of characters we've seen come through the group. It takes a real special one to to survive and succeed long term.

Shane Mercer [00:37:29]:

Yeah. Big time. I I you know, we probably recorded a a podcast, you know, right after that weekend of, of, of taking that that that really tough day, taking that big loss. And, Pace, I know you were really stressed out because you're not only are you eating those losses, but you're calling them out, and you have that extra sort of stress on your shoulders of of calling out losers to people. And that that's, you know, that's gotta be difficult.

Andrew Pace [00:37:53]:

Yeah. That morning, that was the same morning I got an email from a book that I crushed in September telling me that they banned and suspended my account and stole the 30,000 minutes. So it was one of it's one of those days. Right? And, you know, I can look back on that now and go, hey. You know what? That's a part of the old learning curve and a part of the journey. And, if you if I got to sit here today and you said on that day in December or October or whenever the hell it was and go, hey, Pace. This is what things are gonna look like on January 27th because that's when we're recording this, 2025. Be like, yeah.

Andrew Pace [00:38:29]:

I can take these blows. I'll I'll be I'll be there. I'll be happy, and I'll be ready to rock and roll. On that note, Shane, and this is totally off topic. It's not, on our agenda today. But I'm super pumped because I purchased some real estate with some betting profits, a few years ago, actually. But I I I shouldn't say a few years ago because, I cut the check, on Friday. And, a down payment is a lot different than the rest of the payment.

Andrew Pace [00:39:02]:

But the reason why I bring it up is I am super excited because this was a dream of mine, I would say, from 2009 or 2010 onward, unrelated to betting. I always wanted to have a place on the lake in the Okanagan. Always, always, always.

Shane Mercer [00:39:18]:

Okay.

Andrew Pace [00:39:19]:

And I looked at different places, and I remember, like, coming up with, like, some schemes and things like that where I could go, hey. You know what? You You know, maybe if we can get a bunch of friends to chip in together. And, you know, at that stage, you know, I'm in my early twenties and going a bunch of your buddies chipping in for a drinking house on the lake probably wouldn't have ended up being the smartest thing. But at the same time, real real estate's done pretty well since then.

Shane Mercer [00:39:44]:

It has.

Andrew Pace [00:39:45]:

Yeah. But, anyways, pulled the trigger a couple years ago on a on a presale, and, I I pick up the keys tomorrow. Sorry. On Wednesday. I pick up the keys on Wednesday as this is is airing. I am so pumped to, have been fortunate enough to to get a place that is funded through through the betting journey, number 1. And number 2, I get to create a new betting setup, and I'm going to be creating one that is far less, obscene is what I'm looking at in my living room right now that I think will transfer really nicely to, someone that has some money to spend, but also, you know, isn't gonna do this this crazy TV wall type stuff. So I'm gonna be rigging that place for betting so I can go there in peace and know that I have an amazing setup, while I'm there, as well.

Andrew Pace [00:40:38]:

So, if you if you aren't following me on socials, I'll be I'll be telling the story. It's @pocketpacer, but, also, I'm sure there's always stuff at at inplayLIVE. So, yeah, follow along, and, yeah, I'm pumped.

Shane Mercer [00:40:51]:

Wow. That's fucking awesome, and congratulations. That's fucking sick.

Andrew Pace [00:40:54]:

Yeah. I didn't take out a mortgage, Shane, so I'm really I'm telling you, it was like, holy fuck.

Shane Mercer [00:40:59]:

Oh, wow. Holy shit. That's a big check.

Shane Mercer [00:41:04]:

For those who don't for those who don't know, like, the Okanagan is like this paradise in the interior of British Columbia. It is a beautiful, beautiful area. Canada's only desert, I think. It's it's got mountains. It's got beautiful lakes. Where where exactly are you? Is it, like, Okanagan Falls This is the Tickedon, where we where we talking?

Andrew Pace [00:41:29]:

So I'll tell I'll tell you another funny story. Some people from me inplayLIVE have heard this before, but, the one of the events, before the event started, I said to everyone, hey. Come over to my condo and, have some drinks. Right? And people are coming from all over the world, so they might not necessarily understand just how expensive it is in Vancouver. Like, Vancouver and Toronto are fucked. Yeah. Like, they it is it is crazy how expensive shit is. I I guess I'm viewed as someone that's successful, like financially successful, and I do okay.

Andrew Pace [00:41:58]:

I know I do okay. I am I'm I I'm not I don't stress about money all that often. But in the grand scheme of Vancouver real estate, I am I am beyond broke. There aren't even words to describe how broke I am. Anyways, this this member comes into, my condo, and he's he had a French accent. And he goes he goes, Andrew, your place is a lot smaller than I than I thought. And I was like, oh. And he's like, you, you're a lot bigger than I thought. I'm like, what the fuck, man?

Andrew Pace [00:42:34]:

So, anyways, the reason why I bring that up is because you think, like, oh, he's got this amazing lake house, you know, in in in Kelowna. It's in Kelowna, to answer your question.

Shane Mercer [00:42:42]:

Gotcha.

Andrew Pace [00:42:43]:

He's got this amazing lake house in Kelowna. It's a it's a 1,000 square foot townhome, you know, two levels. So it's 2 500 square foot levels. It's gonna be quite quite small. The way I view it is I've bought like a, you know, a really, really nice elaborate hotel room. And when you think about it that way, then you're not picturing this massive lake, you know, with with all the things.

Shane Mercer [00:43:03]:

Gotcha. Okay.

Andrew Pace [00:43:03]:

But the building in the complex itself has some some pretty incredible amenities in including what I would call a boat vending machine where they literally have boats on machines in the air and drop them in the lake ready for you to use.

Andrew Pace [00:43:15]:

So it's gonna be a really it's gonna be a really cool setup. Like, to be able to head out on the lake and then, you know, come back in the day and get get on some bets with you guys is is gonna be awesome.

Shane Mercer [00:43:24]:

Love it. So that's where that's where you'll be, joining us on the podcast from 2 throughout the summer and that kind of thing.

Andrew Pace [00:43:30]:

Oh, yeah. Hell yeah.

Shane Mercer [00:43:31]:

Oh, yeah. Love it. Love it. That's awesome. And you're keeping your plate. You're going to still have where you are now.

Andrew Pace [00:43:37]:

For now.

Shane Mercer [00:43:38]:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, well, so you're not doing a full move. You're not doing a full move just.

Andrew Pace [00:43:42]:

No, no, God. No, no, no, no. Definitely not. Okay, definitely not.

Shane Mercer [00:43:44]:

Not. Gotcha. Wow. That that's pretty cool, man. Awesome. And you did it all off of off of sports betting. That's just incredible. Congrats.

Shane Mercer [00:43:51]:

Good luck with the move and and all of that. Yeah. Thanks. Yeah. Yeah. For people who follow along, Pocket Pacer. And, yeah, I'm sure you'll you'll post to the the inplayLIVE, account as well. Now that football's done, basically done, we have the Super Bowl left, but that's just one game.

Shane Mercer [00:44:09]:

Basketball taking center stage for you throughout the rest of the season here? For first, hold on. I gotta I gotta just mention this. I I I can see it starting to take center stage for you because, Pace, you fucking crushed it on college team totals on the weekend, especially on Saturday. I was sitting there going, like, Pace is calling these college team totals. I'm like, Pinnacles got them. Yeah. Well, you know, like this and you're and you're just crushing it, and I'm just, like, clicking on Pinnacle every time. Boom.

Shane Mercer [00:44:36]:

Pinnacle. Got it. Got it. Got it.

Andrew Pace [00:44:37]:

So you were the one changing my juice?

Shane Mercer [00:44:40]:

Yeah. I might I might have adjusted the juice a tad. I mean, it's not well, here's the thing. Right? It's like college basketball team totals aren't exactly a huge market. Right? Especially depending on the team. And when a book like Pinnacle is going to offer it, I think, like, it's a no brainer. Go hit it at Pinnacle. You know? Save your account because, you know, any other sports accounts, once you start hitting those and and you're winning them, you know, it's a smaller market.

Shane Mercer [00:45:08]:

You're gonna you you know, it's gonna lead to limits probably a little bit quicker. Sure. So when a when a book like Pinnacle has it, I mean, it's a no brainer. And and, dude, I at one point, I think I I was adding you up. It was, like, middle of the day, middle of the afternoon, and I'm like, I think pace has gotten, like, 5 wins and maybe only one loss or 6 wins and one loss on these, college hoops team totals. I'm like, we're we're crushing it here.

Andrew Pace [00:45:29]:

Yeah. I mean, it's it's, I gotta give credit to the, the inplayLIVE guys that that helped develop some of those strategies. You know, I just kinda ride their coattails on that stuff. Yeah. As far as focus is shifting, they've shifted. Right? Like, this is the time of year where everyone is talking about the Super Bowl. People think I'm gonna get fucking rich on the Super Bowl because I bet on sports and it's like, I'd much rather have the slate of a college an NFL, day with 8 games in the morning and, you know, 16 games on, in the day and, you know, a full day of college football, though, the one NFL game is almost meaningless. Now you're also gonna get fed all this bullshit in the next 2 weeks of, you know, what to take, all these tipsters and and whatever.

Andrew Pace [00:46:20]:

And, sure, some of them might be right, some of them might be wrong. You know, the the way betting works is there's two sides to something, so someone's always gonna be right kinda thing. And and then, you know, you think that you you result. You think you should've done what that person said prior to it happening, and then you judge the person that lost based on the loss after it happened. Just ignore all the noise. It's just so meaningless. Whoever's out or in, you know, if it's not Hertz or Mahomes or or, you know, Saquon, I don't think it's it's gonna impact things all that much. Like, people are like, oh my god.

Andrew Pace [00:46:54]:

The Eagles centers out. They fucking shit kick the commanders.

Andrew Pace [00:46:58]:

You know, just let it all go. Watch the game live, find value live, bet it live, and ignore everything else. Now it's already shifted. We've been betting hockey since October.

Shane Mercer [00:47:13]:

Yeah.

Andrew Pace [00:47:14]:

I've been betting college basketball for a few weeks, but some people in the group have been betting it since November. This is where we hit our stride for the NHL. We already have hit our stride this season. It is we aren't we aren't we are in full stride. Yeah. NBA, we haven't hit our stride yet this season, but it is around the corner, and we all we all know it is. College basketball, we hit our stride. You know? And then that that leads us into, honestly, a lower volume time of year, but where we absolutely destroy again, and that's, like, the CFL.

Andrew Pace [00:47:43]:

You know? Like, absolutely destroy again, and that's, like, the CFL. You know? Like, so, by the time other people start thinking about shifting, we've we've already shifted, and and we're ready to rumble. We're excited for it yep.

Andrew Pace [00:47:57]:

It's a great time of year. Honestly, I I think a lot of people stack profits January through to through to June beyond any other time of the year. And what's crazy is the people that couldn't handle the loss in November, they're not around for it.

Shane Mercer [00:48:12]:

Yeah. Which is which is kind of sad because, I, you know, I definitely fall into that group where it's like January through May. You know, those 5 months are like, this is when we stack. And, it's the volume is there. The strats are there, and it's just it's time to go to work. You know? Which it actually really works out for being you know, for living in Canada too because it's like, it's cold outside and, like, the great weather isn't here yet, so you might as well just stick your basement and bet on sports and make money. You know? It sort of works out that way nicely. Yeah.

Shane Mercer [00:48:42]:

Yeah. But, this is definitely, such an exciting time of year. Really, really love it.

Andrew Pace [00:48:47]:

For sure. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's, it's it's amazing. And, yeah, I'm always pumped this time of year, and I think it is important at the same time. We have just come off of football season, you know. So if you gotta unplug, take some time off, whatever. There are some good opportunities to do that.

Andrew Pace [00:49:03]:

Actually, this Monday, for the last, basically, 4 years is the day I've gone to Hawaii because, the Pro Bowl is this Sunday. And, I I take that week off, and it also always has coincided with the NHL all star break. Well, this year is different. And I'm so happy that it's different this year because the day after the Super Bowl is the first day of the international hockey tournament that they're doing this year. So the NHL is taking, like, a 11 or something 10 day break, something like that. And what's amazing about it is in those same 10 days is the NBA all star break. So we talk about having sports on a lot on this podcast and what's next. Well, it's really nice sometimes to not have sports on because it allows us to unplug a little bit and to reset.

Andrew Pace [00:49:49]:

So I'm going to Hawaii for that time this year. Yes. I think there's gonna be a lot of money to be made in this international hockey tournament, but, we have other pros that can look at that stuff. I'll be missing some key weeks of college basketball, but I am totally okay with it. And it is it is good to to hit that unplug button as well.

Shane Mercer [00:50:04]:

Wow. I didn't realize that that the, oh, that the NBA all star break and the NHL break are aligning.

Andrew Pace [00:50:09]:

Yeah. Yeah.

Shane Mercer [00:50:10]:

I'm a bit concerned. I I've already getting, like, a bit of a, like, withdrawal. Well, there's people that didn't even know that it was aligning. I'm like, oh, wait a minute. Hold on.

Andrew Pace [00:50:17]:

You're like, oh, base. Wait. I haven't planned for vacation. I'm wiped him out.

Andrew Pace [00:50:22]:

Yeah. So there's still college basketball on in in big big time college basketball and during this time, but also, Shane, these dates happen to be what has to be something like, people talk about conspiracies and Taylor Swift and all this stuff. Will they align on Valentine's Day?

Shane Mercer [00:50:41]:

Oh, wow.

Andrew Pace [00:50:42]:

Now now where the conspiracy theorists at?

Shane Mercer [00:50:45]:

Yeah. Right. Right.

Andrew Pace [00:50:46]:

Like, damn, I am sorry, gentlemen.

Shane Mercer [00:50:48]:

Who's pulling the strings out there.

Andrew Pace [00:50:49]:

I am sorry, gentlemen. You have no excuse this year. You have gotta make sure February 14th, you know, you the flowers are are in the lap and the full day is planned. Doesn't have to be on Valentine's Day, but, yeah, anyways, the stars have aligned.

Shane Mercer [00:51:03]:

Hey. And when you know what? When you put that time in, it it really can pay off on the back end. Yep. Oh, big time. I'll just say that.

Andrew Pace [00:51:10]:

Big time.

Shane Mercer [00:51:11]:

Well, and you know what? The, college college basketball, though, in full swing during that time in there. So so that gives me something to to focus on. I'll I'll definitely make sure I set aside that Valentine's Day time, though, as well. But I mentioned it, just a few minutes ago, but, you know, Pinnacle offering a lot when it comes to college basketball, especially on the men's side. And I I was hitting it there. We have the contest going on. Alright, PACE? How how are entries looking for the Pinnacle contest?

Andrew Pace [00:51:37]:

Oh, I've I've no idea. And I haven't.

Shane Mercer [00:51:39]:

Okay.

Andrew Pace [00:51:40]:

I haven't looked into that, but, I would say not crazy. I mean, it isn't like our podcast is going out to we're not speaking to tens of thousands of people right now. Although, we do have our most viewed episode of all time, that same guest coming back, Ryan Hammer, to do his preview of college basketball. And that was our most watched episode ever. So, maybe when we do that one, the, the entries will tick up. Go ahead, Shane.

Shane Mercer [00:52:12]:

I'm just thinking, like, holy shit. I can't wait because the trapezoid of excellence is for real. Like, that I can't fucking wait. And anybody out there who's listening, like, mark your calendars for that. I can't oh my god. Ryan Hammer, trapezoid of excellence. Go back. Watch the previous, episode so you understand what we're talking about because I don't wanna spend the episode going over what it is.

Shane Mercer [00:52:35]:

I wanna spend the episode talking about who's in it and why.

Andrew Pace [00:52:36]:

But also, you can when you go back and watch it now, you can see if what he said came true.

Shane Mercer [00:52:41]:

Oh, I already know it did.

Andrew Pace [00:52:43]:

And you're yeah. That's a total spoiler alert there. Anyways anyways, so, yeah, he he's he's gonna be back. As for the Pinnacle contest, all you have to do is join our free Discord and send a screenshot of your entire account, with a $10 minimum wager at Pinnacle. You go to pinnacle.com/inplaylive to sign up, and that'll get you entered into a $1,000 USD draw that will be added to your account. That draw will be taking place on April 1st. I can also say too now, we're gonna be doing the quarterly draws, but we will be doing one of them live at BetBash. And our BetBash booth this year is gonna be off the chart.

Andrew Pace [00:53:21]:

We're gonna have games on. We're gonna have a whole bunch of things running, tons of contests going, and everything that we buy for BetBash, we can't bring home. So we're gonna be doing a big giveaway with the pinnacle draw at BetBash, and then all the stuff from our booth is gonna be given away as well.

Shane Mercer [00:53:36]:

Holy shit. That sounds fucking awesome. BetBash is what? Beginning of August? Middle of August? Something like that.

Andrew Pace [00:53:40]:

Yeah that one's a long way away. August 12.

Shane Mercer [00:53:42]:

Yeah. Yeah. Wow. That'll be incredible, though. That that's so cool. So awesome. I'm looking forward to to that and seeing the contest winners as we go along. I mean, that that's a it's a big it's a big chunk of cash to to start off a Pinnacle account, especially if you're sort of newer to the betting space or, you know, your bankroll is not so big, you get a 1,000 USD pumped into your Pinnacle account.

Shane Mercer [00:53:59]:

I mean, fuck, man. That's awesome.

Andrew Pace [00:54:01]:

Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah.

Shane Mercer [00:54:03]:

Alright. Well, a lot of fun here. Next week, pace, I think, we'll be doing a big time Super Bowl episode, and we'll we'll go through some things. We'll have John back, to, you know, for the gridiron grind one last time to to round out the NFL season. And who knows? Maybe we'll have some other guests with us, from the InplayLive community. We'll see.

Andrew Pace [00:54:18]:

Yeah. I just wanna say one thing with respect to the Super Bowl here. I know the gridiron grind we will do with with John, but there's a lot of free money out there because of how big the hype is for this game, guys. So if you are a sports bettor that likes to capitalize on bonuses, you're gonna get a lot of boosts, a lot of bonuses, potential free play, all that kind of stuff. And if you're a part of the inplayLIVE ecosystem, you certainly know that you can turn that into cash. There's a whole series of different ways that you can do it that we teach. So take advantage of the opportunities. When I talk about all the noise leading up to Super Bowl, I say ignore it.

Andrew Pace [00:54:58]:

Be a sponge and soak in all the positive EV opportunities that come your way through these promotions, and you can make yourself a nice little penny where you're sitting there on Super Bowl, everyone's cheering for the Chiefs, or everyone's cheering for the Eagles or everyone's cheering for Saquon anytime touchdown, and you're sitting there going, I got both sides covered and I'm paid either way. I'm just gonna enjoy this game and, you know, drink my beer and life's good. So, yeah, enter enter that, responsibly. Yeah. Yeah.

Shane Mercer [00:55:25]:

Yeah. Yeah. Lots of stuff out there to to take advantage of. But but, you know, like I said, we'll talk more about the Super Bowl next week. And, Yeah. John will be back, and then we'll see who else. But, yeah, tons of bonuses out there, Faiza. I'm already starting to see them through.

Shane Mercer [00:55:37]:

And if, you you know, there might be VIP hosts. People might have VIP hosts. This might be the time to start chatting with them.

Andrew Pace [00:55:42]:

Totally. On that note, it's not out yet, but it will be out by the time this airs. Our Super Bowl prop pool will be back for a lot of our viewers. That was a major pool last year. In PlayLive, it's like our like our survivor pool, but it's just one day. You can make some big cash.

Shane Mercer [00:55:58]:

it's a lot of fun too.

Andrew Pace [00:55:58]:

Yeah. So we will have the detail. The the let's put it this way. If you need details for that in your listing, just DM us on Instagram. But our Super Bowl prop pool will absolutely be back and up and running.

Shane Mercer [00:56:08]:

Yeah. Yeah. Big prizes there. Alright. Well, Pace, I think that's just about it. So to you, sports bettors around the world, till next week, keep beating those books. Thanks for tuning in to another episode of Behind the Lines. Remember to like, download, and subscribe.

Shane Mercer [00:56:21]:

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